Am I crazy? Poll

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

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CMC
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CEH + Evans
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Total votes: 50

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:54 am

BradysBunch wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:54 am I think this time next year you would want the package. I do believe CMAC loses touches. New coaching. New QB. I am also in the boat of trading at peak value for younger players I like. I would do this trade. I would then flip Evans though bc I think now is the time to sell him too. I did sell Evans this offseason for DJM and B. Edwards.
I prefer DJM straight up. Nice cherry on top with Edwards. Wish I had him in a league

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby metalmat » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:09 am

To me... that's not a bad trade. Could you get more for CMC? Sure, but I think realistically this is the type of trade you can expect without going too deep.
14 Tm ppr (rebuilding)
QB Wentz, Carr, MacJ
RB Mixon, Ty'son, Gaskin, McKinnon, Coleman, David Johnson, Freeman, Darrel Williams, J.Patrick, Ahmed, Dobbins, Hasty
WR Hopkins, T.Patrick, E.Moore
TE Jarwin, Ertz, Knox, Tremble
Picks: 22 (1,1,1,2,2,3) 23 (1,1,1,2,2,3)

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QB Stafford, Hurts, MacJ, KMond
RB Zeke, Fournette, White, Mostert, Coleman, Pollard, Dallas, Perine, B.Scott, Nwangwu, Hawkins
WR Amari, Tyreek, KA, Chark, Renfrow, Agholor, Patterson
TE Fant, Knox, Doyle, Allie-Cox

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QB Ryan, Winston, Mills, Minshew, Tua
RB Gordon, Carson, Harris, Hunt, Duke, D'Ernest, Dillon
WR Jefferson, Boyd, Ruggs, Davis, Parker, Hamler, Robby, Miller, E.Moore, Rodgers, Tre'Quan
TE Hooper, Conklin, Jarwin, Doyle, JuwanJ

14 Tm ppr
QB Stafford, Bridgewater, Fields
RB Hines, Harris, R.Jones, Murray, Freeman, J,Kelley, Hasty
WR Tyreek, C.Ridley, J.Chase, Aiyuk, Hardman, Renfrow, Campbell, Eskridge, Tre'quan
TE Kittle, Freiermuth, Kroft

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby briank » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:31 am

PercyR1 wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:13 pm Sending cmc for CEH and Evans
I would want a 1st thrown in to trade away CMC in this deal.
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts

12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:47 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:26 am
jcc6fd wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:27 pm CMC for me. CEH would have to prove RB1 value before I’m comfortable making the trade, and even then not sure I’d do it.
Problem is, if CEH proves he's a RB1, then I don't think owners will be rushing out to add Evans to get CMC. This deal comes with the risk
If CMC is the overall RB1 and CEH is RB7-12 I would still expect Evans to be added. The only way that trade wouldn’t be fair is if CMC falls off a cliff or if CEH is top 5, both are huge ifs. I’d want more certainty
10 Team Half PPR Scoring SF
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:49 am

jcc6fd wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:47 am
Jigga94 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:26 am
jcc6fd wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:27 pm CMC for me. CEH would have to prove RB1 value before I’m comfortable making the trade, and even then not sure I’d do it.
Problem is, if CEH proves he's a RB1, then I don't think owners will be rushing out to add Evans to get CMC. This deal comes with the risk
If CMC is the overall RB1 and CEH is RB7-12 I would still expect Evans to be added. The only way that trade wouldn’t be fair is if CMC falls off a cliff or if CEH is top 5, both are huge ifs. I’d want more certainty
CEH already is top 5 in ADP. Just saying what owners will be likely to do. Not saying keeping the best asset is wrong, but a WR1 on top is probably too much for most as long as CEH does as expected

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:58 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:49 am
jcc6fd wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:47 am
Jigga94 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:26 am

Problem is, if CEH proves he's a RB1, then I don't think owners will be rushing out to add Evans to get CMC. This deal comes with the risk
If CMC is the overall RB1 and CEH is RB7-12 I would still expect Evans to be added. The only way that trade wouldn’t be fair is if CMC falls off a cliff or if CEH is top 5, both are huge ifs. I’d want more certainty
CEH already is top 5 in ADP. Just saying what owners will be likely to do. Not saying keeping the best asset is wrong, but a WR1 on top is probably too much for most as long as CEH does as expected

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2020/
Oh I know his Mizelle ADP, but he’s going to have to ball out to stay there. His current ADP would suggest this is a huge win, but from a practical stance the majority are leaning CMC. That’s because everyone knows it’s inflated. Barring a tremendous season I’d expect to be able to get this offer later if once somewhat proven. The only way you lose out is if CEH is as good as possible, but you still own CMC. The potential negative consequences of making the trade are much more severe, and in my opinion, much more likely than CEH performing well enough to make this trade a success.
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QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:13 am

I don't necessarily think CEH has to have a tremendous season. Miles Sanders had a fine season and it edging towards top 12 overall asset. If CEH has a 220 for 1000 yards rushing and 45/350 with 8 tds and looks good I'd think he will remain top 12 asset. Without more RBs on the roster I think this is actually a very likely scenario. In fact I think it's closer to floor than ceiling. That's a bit of a bold prediction but he is a 1st rounder, hand picked by the Chiefs and Reid in the most potent offense in the NFL. He will face so few 8 man boxes compared to most RBs. It's like a cheat code for him and his owners.

All that said CMC's numbers are out of this world and if you think he keeps it up I could see wanting a 1st on top of CEH and Evans
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

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Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jenkins.math » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:32 am

jcc6fd wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:58 am
Oh I know his Mizelle ADP, but he’s going to have to ball out to stay there. His current ADP would suggest this is a huge win, but from a practical stance the majority are leaning CMC. That’s because everyone knows it’s inflated. Barring a tremendous season I’d expect to be able to get this offer later if once somewhat proven. The only way you lose out is if CEH is as good as possible, but you still own CMC. The potential negative consequences of making the trade are much more severe, and in my opinion, much more likely than CEH performing well enough to make this trade a success.
I disagree on that. If CEH is solid, he will remain just because of age and that offense. Not to mention I think there is going to be a built in excuse of "well they didn't even have a real offseason due to COVID" that is going to buoy the value of any rookie that underperforms expectations this year.

A contender should hold CMC and make another run at a title this season, but if you aren't a legit title contender, I would easily take the CEH and Evans side. The likelihood of a better offer coming is small.

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:34 pm

If he’s just solid he will likely see himself fall outside of the top 10. Why is he insulated against being valued similar to JT or Miles Sanders? And if that’s the case, then Evans plus the number 12 asset is fair for the top overall player. I guess the question is, do you see it as more likely that CMC drops from the top 3, or CEH drops from the top 5 due to performance? If you’re confident in CEH it might be worth the gamble.
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QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jetsfan5757 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:23 pm

Aaaaaand too late.

Overreaction maybe, but 1 game and CEH balled out. Showed everything you would hope to see I think.
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby abloom » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:49 am

jetsfan5757 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:23 pm Aaaaaand too late.

Overreaction maybe, but 1 game and CEH balled out. Showed everything you would hope to see I think.
CEH has balled out for 1 game
CMC has balled out for 1 season
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jetsfan5757 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:14 am

abloom wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:49 am
jetsfan5757 wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:23 pm Aaaaaand too late.

Overreaction maybe, but 1 game and CEH balled out. Showed everything you would hope to see I think.
CEH has balled out for 1 game
CMC has balled out for 1 season
That’s why I said overreaction, but if you don’t think this likely makes it harder to trade for him, boosts or at least legitimizes his current value, we were watching different games.

On that team, in that offense, he showed skills to be an incredibly productive back...
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby jetsfan5757 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:17 am

Abloom I’m not going after you obviously, nor do I think you after me. Someone said earlier that is CEH does well, then the offer in the title of this thread wouldn’t get it done anymore. I agreed with them and this was a tremendous start. That’s all.
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby abloom » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:28 am

jetsfan5757 wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:17 am Abloom I’m not going after you obviously, nor do I think you after me. Someone said earlier that is CEH does well, then the offer in the title of this thread wouldn’t get it done anymore. I agreed with them and this was a tremendous start. That’s all.
that never crossed my mind :D . I was more just reinforcing my previous comment that CEH is still an unknown quantity, while CMC is a known quantity. CEH had a good game, I don't think this should change his value. He was expected to do well, that should have already been built into his value.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Re: Am I crazy? Poll

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:35 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:26 am
jcc6fd wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:27 pm CMC for me. CEH would have to prove RB1 value before I’m comfortable making the trade, and even then not sure I’d do it.
Problem is, if CEH proves he's a RB1, then I don't think owners will be rushing out to add Evans to get CMC. This deal comes with the risk
Yeahhh that risk is basically 0. I'd take this deal for CMC.


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