Big waller trade

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Big waller trade

Postby noen10 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:32 pm

So dynasty team trade. I was offered:

Mostert
Deebo Samuel
O.J. Howard

For:

Darren waller
Diontae johnson

I should be taking this right?
Thanks,
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Team 1:
10 Team PPR, 1 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2020 finish: 10-6 3rd place
2021 Finished: 2nd place 8-6
2022 finished 5th 9-5
2023 finished 1st 9-5

QB: J.Allen, TLaw, K.Murray
RB: J.Taylor, KWIII, D.Henry, Akers, Jav.Williams, K.Williams, Khunt, MCarter, ZWhite
WR: CD lamb, J.Waddle, D.London, Puka, D.Johnson, Keenan Allen, J.Williams, Tank, KShakir, QJohnston, MWilson, DDouglas, RShaheed, X.Gipson
TE: Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 3
2025: 3
2026: 1, 3

Team 2:
10 Team PPR, START: 2 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2023 finished 3rd 7-7

QB: Burrow, Richardson, Minshew, Stafford, Trask
RB: Najee, Mixon, JConner, DCook, Mostert, Moss, KHerbert, KWilliams, Tsermon
WR: JChase, DK, CKirk, CWatson, XGipson, KBourne, DParker, Chark, NBrown, CAustin, TTucker, APierce, RShaheed, Ma.Mims
TE: TJ Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 1.7, 2.7, 3.7
2025: 1, 2, 3
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby nathanq42 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:37 pm

I'd go waller Johnson, but I have 0 faith in howard
12 Team 1 ppr .1 points per carry
Garbage
QB Jalen Hurts
RB A-train, D'Onta Foreman,Jahmyr Gibbs, JK Dobbins, Rashaad Penny, AJ Dillon, Jerrick McKinnon, Joshua Kelley, TDP, Chase Edmonds, JRob, Zamir White
WR CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, DJ Moore, Hollywood Brown, Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Junior, Marvin Jones, Braxton Berrios, Richie James
TE Dalton Kincaid, Foster Moreau
+2 Flex
1.02, 1.06
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby noen10 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:46 pm

Does it change anything that Doyle, Gerald everret and Greg Olsen are available?
Thanks,
Nick

Team 1:
10 Team PPR, 1 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2020 finish: 10-6 3rd place
2021 Finished: 2nd place 8-6
2022 finished 5th 9-5
2023 finished 1st 9-5

QB: J.Allen, TLaw, K.Murray
RB: J.Taylor, KWIII, D.Henry, Akers, Jav.Williams, K.Williams, Khunt, MCarter, ZWhite
WR: CD lamb, J.Waddle, D.London, Puka, D.Johnson, Keenan Allen, J.Williams, Tank, KShakir, QJohnston, MWilson, DDouglas, RShaheed, X.Gipson
TE: Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 3
2025: 3
2026: 1, 3

Team 2:
10 Team PPR, START: 2 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2023 finished 3rd 7-7

QB: Burrow, Richardson, Minshew, Stafford, Trask
RB: Najee, Mixon, JConner, DCook, Mostert, Moss, KHerbert, KWilliams, Tsermon
WR: JChase, DK, CKirk, CWatson, XGipson, KBourne, DParker, Chark, NBrown, CAustin, TTucker, APierce, RShaheed, Ma.Mims
TE: TJ Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 1.7, 2.7, 3.7
2025: 1, 2, 3
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby Eight7Seven » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:47 pm

No way would I take that trade, it would decimate your tight end position. That being said your wide receiver core is incredibly weak for a 10 team point PPR league.

I'm incredibly lower on Mostert than most seem to be. So I see it as Waller > Samuel, Diontae > Mostert & Howard.
Team One: Children of the Light
12 Team PPR- Superflex- Dynasty - Start 9

QB: Herbert, Watson, Young, Cousins
HB: Bijan, Etienne, J.Jacobs, Najee, D.Harris, J.Ford
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba, Pittman, Jeudy, Jameson, A.Cooper, Cooks, P.Cambell, T.Marshall, Boutte (T.S.)
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, L.Schoonmaker, Likely (T.S.)
Picks: 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd & 3rd


Team Two: One Nation
12 Team IDP- PPR- Superflex- Dynasy - 8 Offensive Starters- 1 DL, 1 EDR, 2 LB, 2 DB, 1DP (DL/LB/DB)

QB: Mahomes, Love, Lance, Purdy
HB: Chubb, Etienne, Akers, Dillion, J.Cook, P.Strong (T.S.), Z.White (T.S.)
WR: Waddle, Jameson, A.Cooper, “Bayou”.Michael.Thomas, Pickens, T.Marshall
TE: Waller, I.Smith.Jr, Otton (T.S.)
LB: D.Lloyd, Q.Walker, D.Long, J.Baker, J.Jewel
DB: J.Chinn, J.Pitre, J.Brisker
DL/ER: S.Hubbard, K.Mack, K.Paye
Picks: '23 1.05, 1.07, 1.12 & 3.07
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby Avery » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm

I would rather easily take that trade but I think Waller is a sell high as I expect his target share to drop significantly this year.
Team 1: Dynasty/Contract Team: 12 Team, PPR, QB,1 RB, 2WR, 2 Flex WR/RB, TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.25X receiving yards points)
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson

Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby Eight7Seven » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:49 pm

noen10 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:46 pm Does it change anything that Doyle, Gerald everret and Greg Olsen are available?
If this was a 16 team league it would, but you're not going to be gianing an advantage running Doyle out there in a ten team league.
Team One: Children of the Light
12 Team PPR- Superflex- Dynasty - Start 9

QB: Herbert, Watson, Young, Cousins
HB: Bijan, Etienne, J.Jacobs, Najee, D.Harris, J.Ford
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba, Pittman, Jeudy, Jameson, A.Cooper, Cooks, P.Cambell, T.Marshall, Boutte (T.S.)
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, L.Schoonmaker, Likely (T.S.)
Picks: 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd & 3rd


Team Two: One Nation
12 Team IDP- PPR- Superflex- Dynasy - 8 Offensive Starters- 1 DL, 1 EDR, 2 LB, 2 DB, 1DP (DL/LB/DB)

QB: Mahomes, Love, Lance, Purdy
HB: Chubb, Etienne, Akers, Dillion, J.Cook, P.Strong (T.S.), Z.White (T.S.)
WR: Waddle, Jameson, A.Cooper, “Bayou”.Michael.Thomas, Pickens, T.Marshall
TE: Waller, I.Smith.Jr, Otton (T.S.)
LB: D.Lloyd, Q.Walker, D.Long, J.Baker, J.Jewel
DB: J.Chinn, J.Pitre, J.Brisker
DL/ER: S.Hubbard, K.Mack, K.Paye
Picks: '23 1.05, 1.07, 1.12 & 3.07
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby Eight7Seven » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:52 pm

Avery wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:48 pm I would rather easily take that trade but I think Waller is a sell high as I expect his target share to drop significantly this year.
That's interesting, will you elaborate on why? I've really enjoyed your analysis on this forum, and so I'm interested in which angle I'm missing.

I think Waller is a legitimate upper echelon TE in the NFL. He's the only returning veteran in that receiving core. I expect him to have a better season than last year.
Team One: Children of the Light
12 Team PPR- Superflex- Dynasty - Start 9

QB: Herbert, Watson, Young, Cousins
HB: Bijan, Etienne, J.Jacobs, Najee, D.Harris, J.Ford
WR: Olave, Smith-Njigba, Pittman, Jeudy, Jameson, A.Cooper, Cooks, P.Cambell, T.Marshall, Boutte (T.S.)
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, L.Schoonmaker, Likely (T.S.)
Picks: 2024 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd & 3rd


Team Two: One Nation
12 Team IDP- PPR- Superflex- Dynasy - 8 Offensive Starters- 1 DL, 1 EDR, 2 LB, 2 DB, 1DP (DL/LB/DB)

QB: Mahomes, Love, Lance, Purdy
HB: Chubb, Etienne, Akers, Dillion, J.Cook, P.Strong (T.S.), Z.White (T.S.)
WR: Waddle, Jameson, A.Cooper, “Bayou”.Michael.Thomas, Pickens, T.Marshall
TE: Waller, I.Smith.Jr, Otton (T.S.)
LB: D.Lloyd, Q.Walker, D.Long, J.Baker, J.Jewel
DB: J.Chinn, J.Pitre, J.Brisker
DL/ER: S.Hubbard, K.Mack, K.Paye
Picks: '23 1.05, 1.07, 1.12 & 3.07
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby noen10 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:59 pm

Eight7Seven wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:47 pm No way would I take that trade, it would decimate your tight end position. That being said your wide receiver core is incredibly weak for a 10 team point PPR league.

I'm incredibly lower on Mostert than most seem to be. So I see it as Waller > Samuel, Diontae > Mostert & Howard.
I don’t plan on competing this year. I expect to be middle of pack. And hoping some of my young wrs step up. I sold a wr for extra picks earlier this offseason.

Would it be better if I could get a pick attached to this?
Thanks,
Nick

Team 1:
10 Team PPR, 1 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2020 finish: 10-6 3rd place
2021 Finished: 2nd place 8-6
2022 finished 5th 9-5
2023 finished 1st 9-5

QB: J.Allen, TLaw, K.Murray
RB: J.Taylor, KWIII, D.Henry, Akers, Jav.Williams, K.Williams, Khunt, MCarter, ZWhite
WR: CD lamb, J.Waddle, D.London, Puka, D.Johnson, Keenan Allen, J.Williams, Tank, KShakir, QJohnston, MWilson, DDouglas, RShaheed, X.Gipson
TE: Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 3
2025: 3
2026: 1, 3

Team 2:
10 Team PPR, START: 2 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2023 finished 3rd 7-7

QB: Burrow, Richardson, Minshew, Stafford, Trask
RB: Najee, Mixon, JConner, DCook, Mostert, Moss, KHerbert, KWilliams, Tsermon
WR: JChase, DK, CKirk, CWatson, XGipson, KBourne, DParker, Chark, NBrown, CAustin, TTucker, APierce, RShaheed, Ma.Mims
TE: TJ Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 1.7, 2.7, 3.7
2025: 1, 2, 3
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby moishetreats » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:07 pm

Samuel > Waller > Mostert > Johnson > Howard

So, yeah, I definitely make this trade . I know that will be rough for your TEs, but you can't turn down value like this. Finding a serviceable TE is MUCH easier than a WR2 and a potential top-25RB. This is a smash-accept, IMO.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th


12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby noen10 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:16 pm

New offer is same players but with a 3rd rookie draft on top
Thanks,
Nick

Team 1:
10 Team PPR, 1 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2020 finish: 10-6 3rd place
2021 Finished: 2nd place 8-6
2022 finished 5th 9-5
2023 finished 1st 9-5

QB: J.Allen, TLaw, K.Murray
RB: J.Taylor, KWIII, D.Henry, Akers, Jav.Williams, K.Williams, Khunt, MCarter, ZWhite
WR: CD lamb, J.Waddle, D.London, Puka, D.Johnson, Keenan Allen, J.Williams, Tank, KShakir, QJohnston, MWilson, DDouglas, RShaheed, X.Gipson
TE: Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 3
2025: 3
2026: 1, 3

Team 2:
10 Team PPR, START: 2 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2023 finished 3rd 7-7

QB: Burrow, Richardson, Minshew, Stafford, Trask
RB: Najee, Mixon, JConner, DCook, Mostert, Moss, KHerbert, KWilliams, Tsermon
WR: JChase, DK, CKirk, CWatson, XGipson, KBourne, DParker, Chark, NBrown, CAustin, TTucker, APierce, RShaheed, Ma.Mims
TE: TJ Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 1.7, 2.7, 3.7
2025: 1, 2, 3
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby noen10 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:25 pm

He wanted a pick back actually now so it’s second round next year for me and send him a 3rd in 2022
Thanks,
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Team 1:
10 Team PPR, 1 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2020 finish: 10-6 3rd place
2021 Finished: 2nd place 8-6
2022 finished 5th 9-5
2023 finished 1st 9-5

QB: J.Allen, TLaw, K.Murray
RB: J.Taylor, KWIII, D.Henry, Akers, Jav.Williams, K.Williams, Khunt, MCarter, ZWhite
WR: CD lamb, J.Waddle, D.London, Puka, D.Johnson, Keenan Allen, J.Williams, Tank, KShakir, QJohnston, MWilson, DDouglas, RShaheed, X.Gipson
TE: Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 3
2025: 3
2026: 1, 3

Team 2:
10 Team PPR, START: 2 QB, 1 Superflex, 2RBs, 3 WRs, 2 Flex, 1 TE
2023 finished 3rd 7-7

QB: Burrow, Richardson, Minshew, Stafford, Trask
RB: Najee, Mixon, JConner, DCook, Mostert, Moss, KHerbert, KWilliams, Tsermon
WR: JChase, DK, CKirk, CWatson, XGipson, KBourne, DParker, Chark, NBrown, CAustin, TTucker, APierce, RShaheed, Ma.Mims
TE: TJ Hock, Mayer

Picks:
2024: 1.7, 2.7, 3.7
2025: 1, 2, 3
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Re: Big waller trade

Postby Gator Sens » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:18 pm

Waller side for me even with the added pick.
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