A Superflex Life Volume V

[yellowdart2448]

I'm sure many read the article but I wanted to mention this and see if others find this true as well... In a Superflex league, the only thing I will mention is that these hypothetical trade scenarios (from the article) sound good on paper, and I do believe the value assessment is correct, but typically the owners you are trading QBs to have a QB issue because they don’t understand the value of QB. I’m in a 10 team SF league where I have Watson, Ryan, Jones, and Bridgewater (have Trubisky too… argh!). Another owner has Rodgers, Fitpatrick and Foles. He asked me if I would be willing to trade Jones. I said sure, and asked for Chark and his 1.10 this year. Not even getting a QB back which I know would be bad for me and he still said no chance and was on the fence with Chark straight up. I then casually said Chark and his 2.10 and he said no though I wouldn’t have done that anyways. My point is that though Jones in theory has a lot of value, when you trade with a QB needy team, they don’t understand that value. The only people who understand the value are already set at QB. I'm just curious how others feel about that. It won't deter me from going QB heavy in start up leagues but I think it's important enough to understand that if half the league or more don't feel the same way, you're going to have a really hard time ever getting true value for QBs in superflex leagues. Then you end up with three solid QBs on your bench. I've seen QB needy owners go as far as not starting a QB in the superflex for multiple weeks if they had an injury just to prove their point.

[SteveMaddensShoes]

This is an annoying factor and I'm currently dealing with the same issue. Your trades will all tend to happen in season unfortunately and makes it hard to contend if you aren't going into the season already set.

I'm thinking it will just take alot of patience because as time goes by all your draft picks will be spent on non QB's where everyone else will be overdrafting the Justin Herberts of the world(nothing against him, but if a team is desperate they will reach)

[yellowdart2448]

This is an annoying factor and I'm currently dealing with the same issue. Your trades will all tend to happen in season unfortunately and makes it hard to contend if you aren't going into the season already set.

I'm thinking it will just take alot of patience because as time goes by all your draft picks will be spent on non QB's where everyone else will be overdrafting the Justin Herberts of the world(nothing against him, but if a team is desperate they will reach)

Agreed though I run into situations in rookie drafts where people let QBs slide when they shouldn't. Sure Herbert might be a bust but the Chargers drafted him high so he will get every chance to succeed. I've seen him slide to the end of the 1st in a 12 team league. The chances that Herbert becomes more valuable than say Jefferson or Reagor is pretty high. Sometimes, even when you don't need a QB, taking the BPA value wise and flipping them for a profit later is the wise move. Of course getting a profit goes back to my original comment lol.

[pmart33]

By year 3 and later in a SF dynasty league those owners that didn't value the QB position initially will either have figured it out over time, or will likely struggle as a result. Having Fitz and Foles as his number 2 and 3 QBs and having no urgency to acquire another QB is whistling past the graveyard IMO. Sometimes it just takes time for owners to realize how different a SF league is compared to 1QB.

[Gator Sens]

By year 3 and later in a SF dynasty league those owners that didn't value the QB position initially will either have figured it out over time, or will likely struggle as a result. Having Fitz and Foles as his number 2 and 3 QBs and having no urgency to acquire another QB is whistling past the graveyard IMO. Sometimes it just takes time for owners to realize how different a SF league is compared to 1QB.

Good thoughts, time can run out quickly in SF depending on a QB core.

[repkllrs]

Just walk away from those owners, and wish them good luck. They will come back to you eventually.

[moishetreats]

I think that, unintentionally, this thread shows that it's US who is not getting it. Look, I'm the guy who always values and overpays for QBs. But it's not that other owners don't get it and will come to me eventually. Rather, it's that other owners don't value QBs the same way. Saying that they'll all wise up and come knocking later actually entirely dismisses that they simply have a different perspective.

There's a guy in my league who had 5 starting QBs going into the draft (same league as Team 1 in sig.). He then traded up to draft a couple more rookie QBs. He keeps saying that eventually everyone is going to come to him for a QB. But he's been saying that for years. Instead, teams who devalue QBs go to other teams who devalue QBs and make trades that way.

I'm not saying that we should all jump off the QB bandwagon. Again, I'm driving it in most of my leagues! But we also shouldn't be so stuck in our own opinions that we presume that everyone else will eventually see things the same way.

(And, yes, I have seen teams with elite QBs and with garbage QBs win.)

[yellowdart2448]

I think that, unintentionally, this thread shows that it's US who is not getting it. Look, I'm the guy who always values and overpays for QBs. But it's not that other owners don't get it and will come to me eventually. Rather, it's that other owners don't value QBs the same way. Saying that they'll all wise up and come knocking later actually entirely dismisses that they simply have a different perspective.

There's a guy in my league who had 5 starting QBs going into the draft (same league as Team 1 in sig.). He then traded up to draft a couple more rookie QBs. He keeps saying that eventually everyone is going to come to him for a QB. But he's been saying that for years. Instead, teams who devalue QBs go to other teams who devalue QBs and make trades that way.

I'm not saying that we should all jump off the QB bandwagon. Again, I'm driving it in most of my leagues! But we also shouldn't be so stuck in our own opinions that we presume that everyone else will eventually see things the same way.

(And, yes, I have seen teams with elite QBs and with garbage QBs win.)

Good point. Typically the league is split and like you said... QB needy teams just trade with each other at a discount.

[jjleurquin]

I think that, unintentionally, this thread shows that it's US who is not getting it. Look, I'm the guy who always values and overpays for QBs. But it's not that other owners don't get it and will come to me eventually. Rather, it's that other owners don't value QBs the same way. Saying that they'll all wise up and come knocking later actually entirely dismisses that they simply have a different perspective.

There's a guy in my league who had 5 starting QBs going into the draft (same league as Team 1 in sig.). He then traded up to draft a couple more rookie QBs. He keeps saying that eventually everyone is going to come to him for a QB. But he's been saying that for years. Instead, teams who devalue QBs go to other teams who devalue QBs and make trades that way.

I'm not saying that we should all jump off the QB bandwagon. Again, I'm driving it in most of my leagues! But we also shouldn't be so stuck in our own opinions that we presume that everyone else will eventually see things the same way.

(And, yes, I have seen teams with elite QBs and with garbage QBs win.)

I agree. Knowing the perception of your league is very important. If you understand what your leaguemates prefer you can use this to your advantage. If they are super hyped about rookies all the time it might be worth your time to hold your picks until the draft and trade your picks for proven studs.If you know they value vets more you can stock up on breakout candidates for cheap. If they value QBs poorly it will likely create a scarcity at RB or WR, so it might be worth your while to draft those positions instead and then flip them for the elite QB who is underpriced.

[Mtt33]

I disagree that owners that don’t value qb will eventually be willing to give up massive prices for elite QBs. More realistically they will continue to try and trade for cheaper QBs, there is a growing belief that elite QBs aren’t necessary in SF, having 2 decent QBs is what’s important. So, to a contender, why give up your chance to win to trade for Wilson or better when you can patch it up with brees/roeth, etc.