Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

Which side?

T.J. Hockenson and 2.08
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Hold Ronald Jones
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Total votes: 25

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Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:24 pm

10 Team League

Which side?

T.J. Hockenson and 2.08

or

Ronald Jones
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

Draft Picks
2024: 1st
2025: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Finishes:
2017 - Last
2018 - 2nd
2019 - CHAMPION :dance:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd
2022 - CHAMPION :dance:
2023 - TBD

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby StripesOfKC » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:28 pm

Hock>>>Jones

smash accept

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:43 pm

Hockenson side long term in case he turns in to a top ten TE. You have the RB depth too.

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby M-Dub » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:00 am

Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo

This is pretty much the textbook definition of a smash accept.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Needalife » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 am

Classic brag post LOL. Agree with MDub above... Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo
14 TM / Devy / SuperFlex / TEP
1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F


QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton PSU
2024 DEVY DEPLETED PICKS: 1.11, 1.13, 2.03, 2.05, 2.13, 3.01, 3.07, 3.10, 3.12, 4.03, 4.11, 4.15, 5.01, 5.02

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby MyTeam » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:59 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:00 am Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo

This is pretty much the textbook definition of a smash accept.
x2. Great trade for you.
Team 1: 12 team, PPR
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex

Mahomes, Lawrence
Najee, Swift, Javonte, Jamaal W, Murray
DK, DJM, Juju, Jameson, Gallup, Van
Pitts, Friermuth
1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 1.12, 3.10, 2 firsts next year

Team 2: 12 Team, SF TEP (1.5 PPR)
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex, 1 SF

Mahomes, Burrow, Cousins, Rudolph
CEH, Swift, Gibson, Jacobs, Mattison, Scott, McFarland
DK, AJB, Ridley, McLaurin, Kupp, Landry, Mims, Hamler, Miller, Johnson, Robinson
Andrews, H. Henry, Sternberger, Alie-Cox, Herndon

Same as Team 2
Watson, Burrow, Lance, Z. Wilson
Pollard, Mattison
Chase, D. Smith, Boyd, Hardman, E. Moore, Cephus, A. Rodgers, Harry, Boykin, A. Tate, Miller
Hockenson, Thomas, Albert O, Njoku
3 additional firsts

Same as Team 2
TLaw, Burrow, Watson, Darnold
CEH, Gus, Cohen
Juju, Chark, Shenault, Boyd, Landry, Renfrow, Robinson,
Engram, Kmet, Firkser, Schultz, Arnold, Herndon
5 additional firsts

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:06 am

Needalife wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 am Classic brag post LOL. Agree with MDub above... Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo
Not a brag post, at all.

I wanted to make sure that I was not cashing in on the RoJo hype too soon or leaving myself in a tough situation with a lack of RBs.
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

Draft Picks
2024: 1st
2025: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Finishes:
2017 - Last
2018 - 2nd
2019 - CHAMPION :dance:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd
2022 - CHAMPION :dance:
2023 - TBD

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Prison_Mike » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:18 am

Pats/VikesFan wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:06 am
Needalife wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 am Classic brag post LOL. Agree with MDub above... Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo
Not a brag post, at all.

I wanted to make sure that I was not cashing in on the RoJo hype too soon or leaving myself in a tough situation with a lack of RBs.
Your RB depth is fine. But even if it wasn't, I'd say take Hock & figure the depth out later
Team 1:
12-team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Herbert, Kyler, Baker, Jimmy G, Mariota, DTR
RB: Taylor, Saquon, Javonte, Conner, C.Evans, TDP
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Olave, Diggs, Diontae, Hollywood, MT, Shaheed
TE: Engram, Woods, Kraft
'24 picks: 1.08, 3.05

Team 2:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Mahomes, Allen, Russ
RB: Breece, JT, Swift, Javonte, Mostert, Zamir
WR: Chase, Aiyuk, Nico, Kupp, Hollywood, Kirk, MT
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Woods
'24 picks: 4.01

Team 3:
12-Team | PPR | SuperFlex | 0.5-TEP
Start: QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/3FLX/1SF
QB: Hurts, Dak, Stafford, Z.Wilson, DTR
RB: Saquon, Swift, Achane, Kamara, Ford
WR: Jefferson, AJB, ARSB, Nico, Diontae, OBJ
TE: Goedert, Njoku, Fant, Woods
'24 picks: 4.08, 4.12, 5.12

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby jwb32 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:56 am

Needalife wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 am Classic brag post LOL. Agree with MDub above... Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo
I can see someone thinking Hock > RoJo. But 2.08 > RoJo? C’mon man. A 23yo lead back coming off a 1000 total yard season? Worth less than the 2.08?? That’s a serious stretch.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
2022 1st, 2nd (2), 3rd (2)

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby RB6 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:53 am

Hockenson side.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington

PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Turner, Hurst

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:26 am

jwb32 wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:56 am
Needalife wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 am Classic brag post LOL. Agree with MDub above... Hockenson > 2.08 > RoJo
I can see someone thinking Hock > RoJo. But 2.08 > RoJo? C’mon man. A 23yo lead back coming off a 1000 total yard season? Worth less than the 2.08?? That’s a serious stretch.
This is exactly what was giving me pause. In my 10-team league you need studs to compete and starter-quality RB depth is extremely scarce. Basically, I wanted to see if there are a lot of RoJo believers out there.
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

Draft Picks
2024: 1st
2025: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Finishes:
2017 - Last
2018 - 2nd
2019 - CHAMPION :dance:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd
2022 - CHAMPION :dance:
2023 - TBD

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby ThatGuyBrian » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:39 am

I will represent the minority here and go with the RoJo side. The kid is 23, and still growing into the position. In most of the leagues I am in lead running backs are hard to find and no one wants to give them up. Tight ends on the other hand are easier to get, more so in a non TE premium league.
Current Win Now!!:
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10 team PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 Kicker, 1 Def/St) 27 man roster limit:
Qb Josh Allen, Joe Burrow
RB Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffery, Dalvin Cook, Saquon Barkley, Jk Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Eno Benjamin
WR Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Chris Godwin, Juju Smith-Shuster, Brandon Aiyuk, Calvin Ridley (S), Zay Jones, Lavishka Shenault, Terrace Marshall,
TE George Kittle, Darren Waller, Pat Freiermuth
K Justin Tucker
Def/St Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers

Possibly competitive team
QB: DeShaun Watson, Daniel Jones, Cj Stroud
RB: Breece Hall, Travis Etienne, JK Dobbins, JaVonte Williams, Latavius Murray, Gus Edwards, Kenny McIntosh
WR: Calvin Ridley, Jaylen Waddle, Chris Olave, Michael Thomas, Garrett Wilson, Darnell Mooney, Romeo Doubs, Terrace Marshall, Justyn Ross, Kayshoun Boutte, Puka Nacka
TE: Kyle Pitts, Zach Ertz, Darren Waller, Tucker Kraft
K: Justin Tucker
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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:31 am

ThatGuyBrian wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:39 am In most of the leagues I am in lead running backs are hard to find and no one wants to give them up.
^This is exactly what is giving me pause. Starting RBs are difficult to find unless you have a top 3 pick and even then it is a crapshoot. I disagree that it is easy to find TEs, though. There are not many TEs that produce consistent numbers and TEs take longer to develop than any other fantasy position.

Also, the guy that I would be trading with is my primary competition with an RB2 being his only glaring weakness. He only has the 2.08 in this draft.

His starting lineup most weeks would be:
QB: DeShaun Watson
RB: Christian McCaffrey
RB: *HOLE*
WR: Michael Thomas
WR: Davante Adams
TE: Noah Fant
Flex: Odell Beckham Jr.
Flex: JuJu Smith-Schuster
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

Draft Picks
2024: 1st
2025: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Finishes:
2017 - Last
2018 - 2nd
2019 - CHAMPION :dance:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd
2022 - CHAMPION :dance:
2023 - TBD

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby ThatGuyBrian » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:54 am

Pats/VikesFan wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:31 am
ThatGuyBrian wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:39 am In most of the leagues I am in lead running backs are hard to find and no one wants to give them up.
^This is exactly what is giving me pause. Starting RBs are difficult to find unless you have a top 3 pick and even then it is a crapshoot. I disagree that it is easy to find TEs, though. There are not many TEs that produce consistent numbers and TEs take longer to develop than any other fantasy position.

Also, the guy that I would be trading with is my primary competition with an RB2 being his only glaring weakness. He only has the 2.08 in this draft.

His starting lineup most weeks would be:
QB: DeShaun Watson
RB: Christian McCaffrey
RB: *HOLE*
WR: Michael Thomas
WR: Davante Adams
TE: Noah Fant
Flex: Odell Beckham Jr.
Flex: JuJu Smith-Schuster
Unless you are getting one of the TEs, there is very little separating the rest of the TEs from one another. At this point, I don't see much difference in Herndon and Hockenson, well except for the suspension. When Herndon was playing he put up good numbers. Just don't forget about him. Perhaps consider targeting a guy like Adam Truatman in the draft.

I am not saying that Rojo is going to put up amazing numbers, but as a Rojo owner, I am currently holding him.
Current Win Now!!:
Chester
10 team PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 1 Kicker, 1 Def/St) 27 man roster limit:
Qb Josh Allen, Joe Burrow
RB Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffery, Dalvin Cook, Saquon Barkley, Jk Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Eno Benjamin
WR Cooper Kupp, Michael Thomas, Chris Godwin, Juju Smith-Shuster, Brandon Aiyuk, Calvin Ridley (S), Zay Jones, Lavishka Shenault, Terrace Marshall,
TE George Kittle, Darren Waller, Pat Freiermuth
K Justin Tucker
Def/St Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers

Possibly competitive team
QB: DeShaun Watson, Daniel Jones, Cj Stroud
RB: Breece Hall, Travis Etienne, JK Dobbins, JaVonte Williams, Latavius Murray, Gus Edwards, Kenny McIntosh
WR: Calvin Ridley, Jaylen Waddle, Chris Olave, Michael Thomas, Garrett Wilson, Darnell Mooney, Romeo Doubs, Terrace Marshall, Justyn Ross, Kayshoun Boutte, Puka Nacka
TE: Kyle Pitts, Zach Ertz, Darren Waller, Tucker Kraft
K: Justin Tucker
D/St: Bills, Bucs

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Re: Smash Accept? Get Hockenson and 2.08 by giving ROJO

Postby moishetreats » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:15 am

I'm about as low on RoJo as anyone, and I would DEFINITELY hold RoJo here.

1) This is not cashing in on the hype.
2) Unless Hock becomes a Tier 1 TE, then he is fully replaceable. Are you really that confident that he will be (I'm not).

I imagine that Hock will have more fantasy relevance for longer than RoJo, but I don't think that he'll have fantasy relevance much better than a middle-of-the-road (i.e., replaceable) TE. RoJo's window could be very short, but his ceiling is much higher and, in all likelihood, his trade value is MUCH stronger in the short-term.

Bottom line: Yes, feel free to move RoJo now to capitalize on the hype. But this doesn't do it.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --


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