1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby Zacsby » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm I don’t know about the majority of these replies. It feels a little premature to value DK as easily worth more than two 1sts (albeit later ones) in a loaded draft class. Depth is more important in a 14-team league. I think the value is on the picks side.
Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby TheBelgian » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm

Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm I don’t know about the majority of these replies. It feels a little premature to value DK as easily worth more than two 1sts (albeit later ones) in a loaded draft class. Depth is more important in a 14-team league. I think the value is on the picks side.
Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby FantasyFoosball » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 am

TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm I don’t know about the majority of these replies. It feels a little premature to value DK as easily worth more than two 1sts (albeit later ones) in a loaded draft class. Depth is more important in a 14-team league. I think the value is on the picks side.
Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
Lol, no, that offer is not close at all. DK alone is >> Akers. Not that Scott offers much of anything here, but the Akers side is the one that needs to be adding. A lot.
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby M-Dub » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:19 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 am
TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am

Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
Lol, no, that offer is not close at all. DK alone is >> Akers. Not that Scott offers much of anything here, but the Akers side is the one that needs to be adding. A lot.
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QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

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QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby M-Dub » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:35 am

TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am
M-Dub wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 pm I don’t know about the majority of these replies. It feels a little premature to value DK as easily worth more than two 1sts (albeit later ones) in a loaded draft class. Depth is more important in a 14-team league. I think the value is on the picks side.
Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
The value is unequivocally on the Akers side, unless you have to start five WRs and only one RB or some weird scenario like that. You don’t trade away a 20yo rookie RB with a 3-down skill set and upper percentile metrics across the board who is being air-dropped into a workhorse role for a 22yo WR with a limited route tree who is (at best) the second receiving option on a run-first team. Boston Scott doesn’t come close to bridging the gap between them.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

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QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

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QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby BradysBunch » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:18 am

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby TheBelgian » Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:45 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 am
TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am

Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
Lol, no, that offer is not close at all. DK alone is >> Akers. Not that Scott offers much of anything here, but the Akers side is the one that needs to be adding. A lot.
Fair enough. I didn't think it was a laughable offer. I saw Zacsby's post and in this case Akers fell. He said he would consider it IF Akers or Swift fell. So I had to ask.

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby TheBelgian » Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:47 pm

M-Dub wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:35 am
TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm
Zacsby wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:57 am

Honestly WR depth isn't affected too much in a 14 teamer. Unless it's start 3 WRs. RB is where depth gets hit hard, and you're probably not getting a quality RB at 10. If Swift or Akers were to fall that far I would consider it. But I highly doubt it. And I see no reason to trade DK for two late 1st WRs who may or may not pan out.
I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
The value is unequivocally on the Akers side, unless you have to start five WRs and only one RB or some weird scenario like that. You don’t trade away a 20yo rookie RB with a 3-down skill set and upper percentile metrics across the board who is being air-dropped into a workhorse role for a 22yo WR with a limited route tree who is (at best) the second receiving option on a run-first team. Boston Scott doesn’t come close to bridging the gap between them.
This is why I asked the question. The problem I see with this is Akers hasn't done anything...yet. DK just had a solid rookie year on a running team.

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am

TheBelgian wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:45 pm
FantasyFoosball wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 am
TheBelgian wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:16 pm

I saw this thread and am curious what you think of the idea of sending Akers for Metcalf and Boston Scott. Where is the value on something like this? I'm assuming it is on the Metcalf side because he has proven he can play, but is this offer close in a vacuum?
Lol, no, that offer is not close at all. DK alone is >> Akers. Not that Scott offers much of anything here, but the Akers side is the one that needs to be adding. A lot.
Fair enough. I didn't think it was a laughable offer. I saw Zacsby's post and in this case Akers fell. He said he would consider it IF Akers or Swift fell. So I had to ask.
Akers is worth a late first, that's typically where he goes in most rookie drafts. There's a 0% chance that a DK owner is going to sell him for a late first.

I have no idea what M-Dub is talking about here. There's no way that Akers is worth more than DK. CEH/Taylor are probably the only two rookies that I would take over DK. Akers isn't anywhere near the conversation of CEH/Taylor.
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby kellysheroes » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:47 am

I'm sticking with DK

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby jjleurquin » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:53 am

I think a lot of people here are overvaluing Metcalf. This offer is not bad.

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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby M-Dub » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:28 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am
TheBelgian wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:45 pm
FantasyFoosball wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:20 am

Lol, no, that offer is not close at all. DK alone is >> Akers. Not that Scott offers much of anything here, but the Akers side is the one that needs to be adding. A lot.
Fair enough. I didn't think it was a laughable offer. I saw Zacsby's post and in this case Akers fell. He said he would consider it IF Akers or Swift fell. So I had to ask.
Akers is worth a late first, that's typically where he goes in most rookie drafts. There's a 0% chance that a DK owner is going to sell him for a late first.

I have no idea what M-Dub is talking about here. There's no way that Akers is worth more than DK. CEH/Taylor are probably the only two rookies that I would take over DK. Akers isn't anywhere near the conversation of CEH/Taylor.
lol. This guy actually concocts entire alternate realities where his bad takes are correct. That’s rich.

Over here in the real world, Akers is a top 5 rookie and rarely makes it past the 1.07 in 1QB rookie drafts. He’s ranked three spots higher than DK in Mizelle’s startup ADP data. Akers might not be in the same conversation as JT/CEH, but neither is DK. WR2s are significantly more replaceable than workhorse RBs. If you take DK over Akers, you’re just flat-out bad at dynasty.
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🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

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QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby IR1 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:40 am

Like both DK and Akers(hoping he makes it to me at 1.09 in 10 team idp heavy league). I have DK slightly above Akers due to length of wr career and we probably haven't seen DK's ceiling as it usually takes a couple years for wr to develop. Probably an element of team need.
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QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
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DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:11 am

M-Dub wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:28 am
FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:17 am
TheBelgian wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:45 pm

Fair enough. I didn't think it was a laughable offer. I saw Zacsby's post and in this case Akers fell. He said he would consider it IF Akers or Swift fell. So I had to ask.
Akers is worth a late first, that's typically where he goes in most rookie drafts. There's a 0% chance that a DK owner is going to sell him for a late first.

I have no idea what M-Dub is talking about here. There's no way that Akers is worth more than DK. CEH/Taylor are probably the only two rookies that I would take over DK. Akers isn't anywhere near the conversation of CEH/Taylor.
lol. This guy actually concocts entire alternate realities where his bad takes are correct. That’s rich.

Over here in the real world, Akers is a top 5 rookie and rarely makes it past the 1.07 in 1QB rookie drafts. He’s ranked three spots higher than DK in Mizelle’s startup ADP data. Akers might not be in the same conversation as JT/CEH, but neither is DK. WR2s are significantly more replaceable than workhorse RBs. If you take DK over Akers, you’re just flat-out bad at dynasty.
Lololololol.

Mizelle's startup ADP also has Sanders at 1.09. So if you want to base your decisions off of that, then go right ahead....

CEH/JT/Swift/Jeudy/Lamb/Swift

All a tier or two ahead of Akers.
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Re: 1.10, 1.11 for my DK+

Postby M-Dub » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:36 am

Lolololololololololol

I’m assuming one of those Swifts is supposed to be Dobbins? Regardless, Jeudy and Lamb should not be going ahead of Akers. You’re leaving value on the table if you do that. That’s dumb.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0


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