RB scarcity is outrageous in my league. I like the idea of starting 3 stud rbs most weeks.
Am I crazy to offer hopkins for jt and 2.02? The idea would be to trade an rb away for a big payday. Lamar, mahomes, kittle, younger stud wr, etc.
Does it shoot me in the foot in terms of competitiveness in the near term?
So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
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So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
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Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
Draft Picks:
2023 4th
2024 3rd, 4th
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
Draft Picks:
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2024 3rd, 4th
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I’ve seen jt go ahead of Hopkins in a startup or 2 so getting 2.02 on top in a league you only start 2 WRs and a flex is certainly not crazy. Giving up some value going that big for a rookie but I don’t think it’s crazy.
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I didn't think so either but I put a poll up in another dynasty community's Facebook group...and it was unanimous on hopkins side...
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Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
Draft Picks:
2023 4th
2024 3rd, 4th
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
Hopkins is certainly the safer asset, but I'm not surprised this is where Taylor's price is. He will be running behind one of the best lines and was one of the best college football RBs for his career. As others have mentioned, he has gone before Hopkins in three of three startups for me this summer.
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
With Nuk's age I'd say it's about a push with regard to productive longevity. So, it's not crazy at all in my book. Have you already had the rookie draft? I see you have the 1.06. Are you trading for the rights to a pick that you plan to take JT with?
10 team Dynasty league with 6pts for all TDs.
QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
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QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
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QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
DST - Chi
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QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I would be taking jt with 1.02. 1.06, as of today, id actually is to pick lamb most likely.
12 team, Superflex, TE Premium, Half PPR
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
Draft Picks:
2023 4th
2024 3rd, 4th
Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 Flex, 1 TE, 1 Superflex
QB: Jackson, Allen, G. Smith
RB: Cook, Henry, Elliott, Montgomery, Carter, Robinson, Mattison, McKissic, Murray, R. Jones, Breida
WR: Jefferson, A. St. Brown, Sutton, Mooney, Dortch, Zaccheaus, D.Carter, Swain, Reagor, A. Rodgers, Atwell, Harry
TE: L. Thomas, H. Henry, J. Smith, Arnold, Dulcich
Taxi: K. Ingram, Virgil
2020: 4-9
2021: 9-5 (3rd)
2022: 7-2
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2024 3rd, 4th
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
Ok. If you can get JT and target best WR at 1.06 I think it's easier to justify. Your WRs will take a hit at least in the short term, but you could add another WR at 2.02 if it's BPA. Nuk is probably worth two 1sts, but getting JT and an early 2nd is enough for me. You have to decide if that's enough for you, though. Some on here will say no way to this deal, but that's part of the fun of dynasty. We all value players at least a little uniquely. I tend to be an ageist myself, giving extra weight to youth and upside. Others will be more comfortable going for older and more proven vets. You build it how you want it. If you want JT and this is what it takes to land him, go for it so long as your able to stomach the roster transformation.zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:51 pmI would be taking jt with 1.02. 1.06, as of today, id actually is to pick lamb most likely.
I myself moved Nuk for Swift and Reagor. That was an orphan I took over and had zero at RB. I grabbed CEH at 1.01 and swift at 1.05. Have 4wrs I like to grow with my young upside rookies, so I decided it was worth selling a little cheap. My team would have zero chance at competing the next 3-4 years without the deal. And by then Nuk would most likely be on the decline.
10 team Dynasty league with 6pts for all TDs.
QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
DST - Chi
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QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
Dst - TB, Mia
QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
DST - Chi
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QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
Dst - TB, Mia
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I'd probably dangle Chubb for an upgrade at another position. See what shakes out.
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QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
DST - Chi
10 team PPR Dynasty with 6pts for all TDs.
QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
Dst - TB, Mia
QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2010
League champ: 2013, 2014, 2015(runner-up), 2016, 2017(runner-up), 2018, 2021
QB- Burrow, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Kamara, Swift, Javonte, Saquon, JK, Akers, E. Mitchell, Penny
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DK, Tee, Diontae, Pittman, Bateman, Rondale
TE- Pitts, Knox, Freiermuth
DST - Chi
10 team PPR Dynasty with 6pts for all TDs.
QB, 2RB, 3WR, Flex (WRT), TE, K, & DST
League established: 2019
QB- Wilson, Lawrence, Lance
RB- Taylor, Swift, CEH, E. Mitchell, Sermon, AJ Dillon, Stevenson, Penny, Patterson
WR- Jefferson, Chase, DJM, Diontae, OBJ, Palmer, Marshall, Rondale
TE- Hockenson, Irv Smith, Kmet, Trautman
Dst - TB, Mia
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I am not high on AZ so I would do this trade as well. Hop is the man but I donno if I trust everyone else to get it together enough for him to duplicate his years in Houston.
Cavaliers 12 team standard, 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2WR/TE, 1flex
QB: J. Allen, S. Howell, Z.Wilson
RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CEH, K. Gainwell, P. Strong
WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
TE: G. Kittle, J. Johnson, J. Woods, H. Henry
'23 1.10, 2.10, 3.10 '24 1, 2, 3
Recent Championships '19,'21,'22
Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends- 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Mahomes, Purdy, Lance
RB: Pierce, Miller, K. Herbert, E. Hull
WR: Chase, Watson, Davis, JSN, Metchie, Pierce, V. Jefferson, Claypool, Thornton, Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: Pitts, Woods, Latu
QB: J. Allen, S. Howell, Z.Wilson
RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CEH, K. Gainwell, P. Strong
WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
TE: G. Kittle, J. Johnson, J. Woods, H. Henry
'23 1.10, 2.10, 3.10 '24 1, 2, 3
Recent Championships '19,'21,'22
Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends- 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Mahomes, Purdy, Lance
RB: Pierce, Miller, K. Herbert, E. Hull
WR: Chase, Watson, Davis, JSN, Metchie, Pierce, V. Jefferson, Claypool, Thornton, Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: Pitts, Woods, Latu
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
With your build I keep DHop.
TEAM 1
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)
QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.
Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.
TEAM 2
Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)
QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.
Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)
QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.
Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.
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Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)
QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
Wait, wait, wait. You're trading Hopkins to get an RB to trade an RB to get a payday...? Why not just trade Hopkins for the payday? Otherwise, I think that you'll lose on value on both parts.zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:46 pm RB scarcity is outrageous in my league. I like the idea of starting 3 stud rbs most weeks.
Am I crazy to offer hopkins for jt and 2.02? The idea would be to trade an rb away for a big payday. Lamar, mahomes, kittle, younger stud wr, etc.
Does it shoot me in the foot in terms of competitiveness in the near term?
Now, if this is really about getting Taylor, then forget about the second trade. I think that this is a huge overpay for Taylor. But, if he's your guy, then I wouldn't criticize you at all for making this move.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball
QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble
2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th
12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball
QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186
IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
Does he have a wr you could get coming back? Hopkins + Guice for Taylor + WR
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QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
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RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
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Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
It's not crazy, though I think it makes your team worse to contend next season.
Side note, not sure why there is a narrative that Hopkins is old, but you never hear that chatter surround Adams or Thomas, who are close in age.
Side note, not sure why there is a narrative that Hopkins is old, but you never hear that chatter surround Adams or Thomas, who are close in age.
Re: So I'm really high on jt. Is this insane?
I can say for me personally it is his age with the trade to AZ. I am also low on Adams, I think he is overrated and would sell him as well, I think Green Bay is one injury from disaster. Thomas on the Saints to me is rock solid value I can find no areas to be concerned. Not saying I would give them away or they are done but I think this is the year you can get peak value and it only goes down from here.MFundercover wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:34 am Side note, not sure why there is a narrative that Hopkins is old, but you never hear that chatter surround Adams or Thomas, who are close in age.
Cavaliers 12 team standard, 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2WR/TE, 1flex
QB: J. Allen, S. Howell, Z.Wilson
RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CEH, K. Gainwell, P. Strong
WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
TE: G. Kittle, J. Johnson, J. Woods, H. Henry
'23 1.10, 2.10, 3.10 '24 1, 2, 3
Recent Championships '19,'21,'22
Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends- 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Mahomes, Purdy, Lance
RB: Pierce, Miller, K. Herbert, E. Hull
WR: Chase, Watson, Davis, JSN, Metchie, Pierce, V. Jefferson, Claypool, Thornton, Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: Pitts, Woods, Latu
QB: J. Allen, S. Howell, Z.Wilson
RB: A. Kamara, J. Taylor, CEH, K. Gainwell, P. Strong
WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
TE: G. Kittle, J. Johnson, J. Woods, H. Henry
'23 1.10, 2.10, 3.10 '24 1, 2, 3
Recent Championships '19,'21,'22
Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends- 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Mahomes, Purdy, Lance
RB: Pierce, Miller, K. Herbert, E. Hull
WR: Chase, Watson, Davis, JSN, Metchie, Pierce, V. Jefferson, Claypool, Thornton, Westbrook-Ikhine
TE: Pitts, Woods, Latu