*update* Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

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*update* Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 9:34 am

Considering a trade (currently under discussion only, no offer yet) that will help me improve my team for the next couple years. The 2021 1st I'd give up is my only 1st and is likely early/mid, which is the main reason why I am hesitating. I also think that JuJu is the best piece in the deal, but he and DJM are so close in my personal rankings it is almost a wash. I'm losing ~3 years in age between the TEs, but getting much younger at QB.

Give: JuJu / Andrews / Carr / 2021 1st (proj early-mid)
Get: DJM / Kittle / Herbert

Thoughts on this trade for my team in sig? What kind of piece would need to be added to even it out, if any?
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Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Gator Sens » Wed May 13, 2020 9:37 am

I think I would hold with the 1st potentially being early. I dont see a huge difference with all the pieces outside of the 1st.

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 12:20 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 9:37 am I think I would hold with the 1st potentially being early. I dont see a huge difference with all the pieces outside of the 1st.
Would it make more sense if I got a 2021 2nd back in the deal?
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Darre116ud » Wed May 13, 2020 12:23 pm

I think you should offer the second instead of your first... instead of getting a second and keeping your first in the deal
22 man 12 team PPR (1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLEX) - 2019 CHAMPION

QB - Garrapolo, Stafford, Winston
RB - Mixon, Cook, Gurley
WR - Thomas, Hopkins, Evans, Golladay, D. Samuel, C. Davis, Westbrook, Perriman, Tre'Quan Smith
TE - Kelce, Henry, Njoku, Herndon

2020 - None
2021- 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Z$$$ » Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm

Darre116ud wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:23 pm I think you should offer the second instead of your first... instead of getting a second and keeping your first in the deal
X2.
12 Team 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 5IDP
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11

16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Gator Sens » Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm

Z$$$ wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm
Darre116ud wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:23 pm I think you should offer the second instead of your first... instead of getting a second and keeping your first in the deal
X2.
Good way to go here.

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 12:31 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm
Z$$$ wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm
Darre116ud wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:23 pm I think you should offer the second instead of your first... instead of getting a second and keeping your first in the deal
X2.
Good way to go here.
Cool deal. So like this?

JuJu / Andrews / Carr / 2021 2nd
For
DJM / Kittle / Herbert
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Gator Sens » Wed May 13, 2020 12:33 pm

never_punts wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:31 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm
Z$$$ wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 pm

X2.
Good way to go here.
Cool deal. So like this?

JuJu / Andrews / Carr / 2021 2nd
For
DJM / Kittle / Herbert
Makes it a much better price on your side in my opinion.

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm

Thanks, everyone. I very highly doubt he'll go for it unless the 1st is involved, but I really don't want to move the 1st so maybe this at least moves talks in the right direction. He's been hammering hard for JuJu I just don't think he's willing to pay my price.
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby Goddard » Wed May 13, 2020 1:26 pm

never_punts wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm Thanks, everyone. I very highly doubt he'll go for it unless the 1st is involved, but I really don't want to move the 1st so maybe this at least moves talks in the right direction. He's been hammering hard for JuJu I just don't think he's willing to pay my price.
I agree with you that this probably won't get accepted with the 2nd. I think it's a fair offer with the 1st, but don't blame you for wanting to stay put either. It's fair to argue that Juju and Moore are a wash. Kittle is worth more than Andrews, but that gap could close pretty soon. I like Herbert more than Carr, but the gap there isn't a 1st either. If your offer is turned down, I'd probably stay put or try a different offer altogether for Juju.

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 1:34 pm

Goddard wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:26 pm
never_punts wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 12:34 pm Thanks, everyone. I very highly doubt he'll go for it unless the 1st is involved, but I really don't want to move the 1st so maybe this at least moves talks in the right direction. He's been hammering hard for JuJu I just don't think he's willing to pay my price.
I agree with you that this probably won't get accepted with the 2nd. I think it's a fair offer with the 1st, but don't blame you for wanting to stay put either. It's fair to argue that Juju and Moore are a wash. Kittle is worth more than Andrews, but that gap could close pretty soon. I like Herbert more than Carr, but the gap there isn't a 1st either. If your offer is turned down, I'd probably stay put or try a different offer altogether for Juju.
Some very good thoughts here. Mirrors my basic thought process. My read on the issue is that the owner has decided he can 'buy low' on JuJu if he presses enough because of the 2019 debacle, but the disconnect is that I don't have any incentive to sell JuJu at anything less than his start-up ADP right now. I'm willing to add a 2nd that we both know should be Top-4 next year so that's not just a cheap trade throw-in, hopefully he'll see it as such.
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby moishetreats » Wed May 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Why are you so sure that your pick will likely be early? Looks like you have a strong team to me. If you are a playoff contender (and making this trade would increase those odds), then this is more likely a late-round 1st than an early-round first. I'd lean toward accepting this offer if he won't budge.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Wed May 13, 2020 1:55 pm

moishetreats wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:40 pm Why are you so sure that your pick will likely be early? Looks like you have a strong team to me. If you are a playoff contender (and making this trade would increase those odds), then this is more likely a late-round 1st than an early-round first. I'd lean toward accepting this offer if he won't budge.
Sorry, probably should have mentioned that the 1st and 2nd rounders I own are not mine, so that's why I project them early, they are from less-competitive teams
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby moishetreats » Wed May 13, 2020 2:26 pm

never_punts wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:55 pm
moishetreats wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:40 pm Why are you so sure that your pick will likely be early? Looks like you have a strong team to me. If you are a playoff contender (and making this trade would increase those odds), then this is more likely a late-round 1st than an early-round first. I'd lean toward accepting this offer if he won't budge.
Sorry, probably should have mentioned that the 1st and 2nd rounders I own are not mine, so that's why I project them early, they are from less-competitive teams
Ahhh..... I got confused by the wording in the original post. My bad.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --

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Re: Big SF Trade - DJM++ vs JuJu++

Postby never_punts » Fri May 15, 2020 12:13 pm

*UPDATE*
JuJu / Andrews / Carr / 2021 2nd
For
DJM / Kittle / Herbert

I have discussed the above trade with the DJM/Kittle owner and he says the 2021 2nd is just not enough for him to make up the difference, considering Herbert cost him a 2020 1st rounder. So I think that is a fair point.
New Idea: What if I were to offer the 2021 1st instead of the 2nd, and then ask for another asset coming back from him (Robert Woods would be my target as a depth piece for me for 2020)? Would this package make up for me losing a potential early 2021 1st?

The new offer would look like this:
Give: JuJu / Andrews / Carr / 2021 1st (projected early-mid)
Get: DJM / Kittle / Herbert / Woods
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd


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