Did I mess up doing this trade?
Did I mess up doing this trade?
10 team, 1 QB, PPR
I wasn't thinking I wanted/needed a tight end, but then someone offered me Tyler Higbee which got me thinking that maybe I could get one I could actually comfortably start instead of a bunch of 'upside' guys. So I deliberated a bit and just traded my Chris Carson/Rashaad Penny/Jonnu Smith for Darren Waller/Sterling Shepard/the coming 3.08 (28th pick overall). I'm kind of regretting it right now, but my thinking was that I think both Seahawks guys are going to lose their value sooner rather than later, and I would get more by packaging them. I also love Waller's athleticism, and think Shepard could be solid with D. Jones. But I worry I mismanaged this whole thing. Here's the rest of my roster:
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Jonathan Taylor
RB: Colonel Raheem Mostert
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: DJ Chark
WR: Robert Woods
TE: Hayden Hurst
Flex: Will Fuller
Flex: Kerryon Johnson
K: Butker
Defense: Not holding one for now
BN: Gerald Everett
BN: Denzel Mims
BN: Bryan Edwards
BN: JK Dobbins
BN: Dawson Knox
BN: David Njoku
BN: Sterling Shepard
BN: Antonio Brown
BN: Demarcus Robsinson
BN: Andy Isabella
BN: Darrell Henderson
BN: Boston Scott
BN: incoming 3.08 pick, maybe Gandy Golden or Antonio Gibson?
BN: Gardner Minshew
Our rosters are 24, so I've got an open roster spot or two right now
I wasn't thinking I wanted/needed a tight end, but then someone offered me Tyler Higbee which got me thinking that maybe I could get one I could actually comfortably start instead of a bunch of 'upside' guys. So I deliberated a bit and just traded my Chris Carson/Rashaad Penny/Jonnu Smith for Darren Waller/Sterling Shepard/the coming 3.08 (28th pick overall). I'm kind of regretting it right now, but my thinking was that I think both Seahawks guys are going to lose their value sooner rather than later, and I would get more by packaging them. I also love Waller's athleticism, and think Shepard could be solid with D. Jones. But I worry I mismanaged this whole thing. Here's the rest of my roster:
QB: Deshaun Watson
RB: Jonathan Taylor
RB: Colonel Raheem Mostert
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: DJ Chark
WR: Robert Woods
TE: Hayden Hurst
Flex: Will Fuller
Flex: Kerryon Johnson
K: Butker
Defense: Not holding one for now
BN: Gerald Everett
BN: Denzel Mims
BN: Bryan Edwards
BN: JK Dobbins
BN: Dawson Knox
BN: David Njoku
BN: Sterling Shepard
BN: Antonio Brown
BN: Demarcus Robsinson
BN: Andy Isabella
BN: Darrell Henderson
BN: Boston Scott
BN: incoming 3.08 pick, maybe Gandy Golden or Antonio Gibson?
BN: Gardner Minshew
Our rosters are 24, so I've got an open roster spot or two right now
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
I would have held your pieces but I’m also high on Jonnu Smith.
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
I would have held because Carson out produces his value and I think Smith takes a big step forward.
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Hate it. Waller gonna lose a lot of targets this year
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W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
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R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
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T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
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Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
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T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
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Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders
Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K
Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE
Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F
Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Carson side
12 Team 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 5IDP
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Sorry but the Carson side for me too. The Raiders just drafted three quality WR's so Wallers production should slip.
10 Team. PPR. 25 player roster. 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex, 1 SF, 1D
QB - Justin Herbert. Anthony Richardson. Geno Smith. Sam Howell.
RB - Saquon Barkley. JK Dobbins. Tony Pollard. Leonard Fournette. Kareem Hunt. Devin Singletary. Zamir White. Tyjae Sharp. Jaylen Warren. Jerome Ford. Zach Evans. Chris Rodriquez.
WR - AJ Brown. DK Metcalf. Chris Godwin. Deebo Samuel. Amon Ra St Brown. Courtland Sutton.
TE - Darren Waller. Pat Freiermuth. Evan Engram.
2024 - 1st. 4th.
2025 - 1st. 4th.
QB - Justin Herbert. Anthony Richardson. Geno Smith. Sam Howell.
RB - Saquon Barkley. JK Dobbins. Tony Pollard. Leonard Fournette. Kareem Hunt. Devin Singletary. Zamir White. Tyjae Sharp. Jaylen Warren. Jerome Ford. Zach Evans. Chris Rodriquez.
WR - AJ Brown. DK Metcalf. Chris Godwin. Deebo Samuel. Amon Ra St Brown. Courtland Sutton.
TE - Darren Waller. Pat Freiermuth. Evan Engram.
2024 - 1st. 4th.
2025 - 1st. 4th.
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
I don't think it's terrible. You probably lost some value, but I think Waller might be the best piece in this deal.
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Yeah with a little bit of time I feel fine with it. I have RB depth, and not confident in either Seattle guy for the long term (and maybe I'll grab DeeJay Dallas on UDFA and try to hedge against them both now). Even if we say Waller and Carson are a push (I like Waller more long term), that still makes it Shepard and 3.8 (I ended up with Antonio Gibson there) for Jonnu Smith and Penny. Totally fine, IMO. I'm good with it.
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
This is atrocious. Carson is the best piece here and it's not close. He's been a top 10-15 RB the past two seasons and Penny is probably starting the year on the PUP.... Seahawks run the ball more than anyone else.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
2024: 3rd
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DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
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DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
He also broke his hip and Waller was a stud last year.FantasyFoosball wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 4:38 am This is atrocious. Carson is the best piece here and it's not close. He's been a top 10-15 RB the past two seasons and Penny is probably starting the year on the PUP.... Seahawks run the ball more than anyone else.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
I always appreciate your input as you have great perspectives, but it could be more beneficial not to sound so straight forward. Just my two cents.FantasyFoosball wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 4:38 am This is atrocious. Carson is the best piece here and it's not close. He's been a top 10-15 RB the past two seasons and Penny is probably starting the year on the PUP.... Seahawks run the ball more than anyone else.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
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QB: Herbert, Lance, Stafford
RB: Bijan, Hall, Cook, Chubb, Mattison
WR: Adams, Hill, Hopkins, Robinson
TE: Waller, Engram
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WR: Metcalf, JSN, Addison, Q. Johnston, Mingo, Rice
TE: Kincaid, Mayer, Gesicki
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RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Etienne, Walker
WR: AJ Brown, Godwin, Bateman
TE: Kittle
QB: Herbert, Lance, Stafford
RB: Bijan, Hall, Cook, Chubb, Mattison
WR: Adams, Hill, Hopkins, Robinson
TE: Waller, Engram
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RB: Bijan, Gibbs, A. Jones
WR: Metcalf, JSN, Addison, Q. Johnston, Mingo, Rice
TE: Kincaid, Mayer, Gesicki
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RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Etienne, Walker
WR: AJ Brown, Godwin, Bateman
TE: Kittle
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Stud? No. He was the biggest beneficiary of the nut job known as Antonio Brown. Waller was force fed targets because he was the best option on the field. Raiders have acquired two wrs and a rb that will be taking away his targets.Goddard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:08 amHe also broke his hip and Waller was a stud last year.FantasyFoosball wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 4:38 am This is atrocious. Carson is the best piece here and it's not close. He's been a top 10-15 RB the past two seasons and Penny is probably starting the year on the PUP.... Seahawks run the ball more than anyone else.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K
Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders
Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K
Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE
Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F
Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
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12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K
Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders
Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K
Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE
Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F
Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
Team #4 3rd
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Team #6 orphan
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
He put up stud numbers. You can call it what you want, but finding a TE that produces like that isn't as easy as finding a RB like Carson (who has a difficult time staying healthy). Maybe there will be some regression this year, but I still expect Waller to be one of Carr's favorite targets since he's the check down master and will still put up TE1 #s.abloom wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:22 amStud? No. He was the biggest beneficiary of the nut job known as Antonio Brown. Waller was force fed targets because he was the best option on the field. Raiders have acquired two wrs and a rb that will be taking away his targets.Goddard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:08 amHe also broke his hip and Waller was a stud last year.FantasyFoosball wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 4:38 am This is atrocious. Carson is the best piece here and it's not close. He's been a top 10-15 RB the past two seasons and Penny is probably starting the year on the PUP.... Seahawks run the ball more than anyone else.
Feel free to come to the forums first and ask before accepting a deal. This type of deal definitely hurts your chances to compete. At the very least you could/should have gotten more.
Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
I think its far easier to fine a top 12 TE than it is to find a top 24 RB. I think both take hits to their value this year, and certainly have questions entering the season. I just want no part of Waller. His value is far more easily replaced than Carson's. In fact the reason I really don't like this deal is because he's also sending Jonnu Smith over, who could possibly be a top 12 TE this year.Goddard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:34 amHe put up stud numbers. You can call it what you want, but finding a TE that produces like that isn't as easy as finding a RB like Carson (who has a difficult time staying healthy). Maybe there will be some regression this year, but I still expect Waller to be one of Carr's favorite targets since he's the check down master and will still put up TE1 #s.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K
Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders
Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K
Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE
Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F
Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Team #6 orphan
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12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K
Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders
Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K
Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE
Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F
Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson
Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Team #6 orphan
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Re: Did I mess up doing this trade?
Waller was the TE3 last year. Even with a slight regression, I expect him to be closer to top 5 than 12. There's a pretty big gap between 12 and 5. I also expect Carson to regress from his numbers as they work in Penny more...who should be healthy or very close to it by the time the season starts. The Hawks also drafted a RB as well if you remember. Regardless, like I said in my first post...OP probably lost some value, but I still believe Waller is the best piece. Not as bad as many are making it out to be.abloom wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:47 amI think its far easier to fine a top 12 TE than it is to find a top 24 RB. I think both take hits to their value this year, and certainly have questions entering the season. I just want no part of Waller. His value is far more easily replaced than Carson's. In fact the reason I really don't like this deal is because he's also sending Jonnu Smith over, who could possibly be a top 12 TE this year.Goddard wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 8:34 amHe put up stud numbers. You can call it what you want, but finding a TE that produces like that isn't as easy as finding a RB like Carson (who has a difficult time staying healthy). Maybe there will be some regression this year, but I still expect Waller to be one of Carr's favorite targets since he's the check down master and will still put up TE1 #s.
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