Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

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Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby M-Dub » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:06 pm

Hey folks! Been playing dynasty for five years now, so I’m usually doling our advice rather than asking for it these days, but I’m in my first offseason in a salary cap/contract league (team 3 in sig) and I’m still trying to wrap my head around how to properly value players/picks with these added dimensions.

I’m trying to put together a fair deal for DJ Moore. Our entire league is new to the salary cap/contract format, but a handful of owners (including the DJM owner) are new to dynasty in general. With that in mind, I’m not looking to fleece this guy. I’d like to put a fair, win/win type of deal together.

Salary cap is $450. DJM is on a $43 deal with three years remaining. I have picks 1.02 ($26), 1.09 ($9) and 3.02 ($2). He has picks 1.03 ($21), 2.03 ($4) and 3.03 ($2). Rookies can be signed for up to five years. When a player’s contract expires, he becomes a restricted free agent, meaning he goes into the yearly offseason FA auction, but his original owner has the option to match the winning bid.

This owner has less cap room to work with as a result of having more players on multi-year deals. My opening offer was 1.02 and 1.09 for DJM and 1.03. While this would help him free up some cap space, I think it’s probably kinda light. I’m thinking my 1.02 needs to be involved, but I’m hesitant to offer it straight up. In a normal dynasty league, I’d gladly give the 1.02 for DJM, but in this format, I’d be taking on a larger salary ($43 vs. $26) and would only have Moore at that salary for three years, versus locking in the 1.02 for five years, which could be huge if that pick hits.

Is my initial offer still way off, taking salaries and contracts into account? Would 1.02 for DJM and 2.03 be fair? Am I better off just holding the 1.02 and making the pick? I obviously need help pretty much everywhere. Haha.

This is a 1QB league, btw. Eight total starters. Can only start four at any position, so while you can technically get away with starting only one RB, you’d have to start at least two TEs to do so. For all intents and purposes, think of it as 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2flex.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks for reading. Let me know if you have any suggestions on a trade that would benefit (or at least be fair for) both teams.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby Gator Sens » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:05 pm

I feel the 1.02 is the only way to get to Moore. I'm not well versed on contract leagues either, but would including Hilton balance things out?

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFoosball » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:35 pm

How much salary are you at now? What’s your cap situation look like? How good of a salary is Moore’s contract, like how does it compare to other WRs in his range?
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby M-Dub » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:36 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:05 pm I feel the 1.02 is the only way to get to Moore. I'm not well versed on contract leagues either, but would including Hilton balance things out?
I wouldn’t be opposed to including Hilton, but I’m not sure he’s a very attractive trade piece at his current age, salary and contract.

Maybe I’m just suffering from rookie fever, but as much as I love Moore, in this format, I honestly feel like the 1.02 is worth slightly more than DJM, just based on the cheaper salary and the extra two years I could lock that salary in.

My personal intuition is that the way to win in a league like this is to accumulate as many players as possible who are on favorable long-term deals (which means identifying them and committing to them before they break out). Once you have enough guys like that, you could afford to overpay for a big FA or two on one-year deals to make a title push. I suspect building a true dynasty in this format is gonna be really, REALLY hard, if not altogether impossible. The positive side of that is that you’re also way less likely to ever find yourself in a long, multi-year rebuild.

With that in mind, I think DJ already is one of those players on a favorable long-term deal, but if Swift lands in a nice spot, he could be an even better value for an even longer stretch. That’s why I was hoping to get a little something back on top of DJ.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby M-Dub » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:58 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:35 pm How much salary are you at now? What’s your cap situation look like? How good of a salary is Moore’s contract, like how does it compare to other WRs in his range?
Currently at $283 with eight players under contract, so I have $167 to spend on 12 more players. The 1.02 is $26, the 1.09 is $9 and the 3.02 is $2, so if I stand pat, that puts me at $320 for 11 players, with $130 remaining to fill out my roster.

Here are some other notable WR salaries:

MT $103
Godwin $50
Julio $100
Nuk $119
Adams $125
JuJu $120
Kupp $31
Keenan $65
ARob $43
Golladay $42
Cooper $60
Lockett $41
Landry $34
Woods $35
Evans $88
Boyd $31
Sutton $17
Edelman $41
Ridley $40

Rookie salary scale: 1.01 $35, 1.02 $26, 1.03 $21, 1.04 $17, 1.05 $14, 1.06 $12, 1.07 $11, 1.08 $10, 1.09 $9, 1.10 $8, 1.11 $7, 1.12 $6, 1.13 $5, 2.01-2.06 $4, 2.07-2.12 $3, 3.01-3.12 $2

Here’s a link to the league if you wanna dig deeper. Keep in mind these salaries are all based off the startup auction results of 12 people who have never played in a salary/contract league before. Haha.

https://www57.myfantasyleague.com/2020/home/59381#0
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby Gator Sens » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:25 pm

M-Dub wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:36 pm
Gator Sens wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:05 pm I feel the 1.02 is the only way to get to Moore. I'm not well versed on contract leagues either, but would including Hilton balance things out?
I wouldn’t be opposed to including Hilton, but I’m not sure he’s a very attractive trade piece at his current age, salary and contract.

Maybe I’m just suffering from rookie fever, but as much as I love Moore, in this format, I honestly feel like the 1.02 is worth slightly more than DJM, just based on the cheaper salary and the extra two years I could lock that salary in.

My personal intuition is that the way to win in a league like this is to accumulate as many players as possible who are on favorable long-term deals (which means identifying them and committing to them before they break out). Once you have enough guys like that, you could afford to overpay for a big FA or two on one-year deals to make a title push. I suspect building a true dynasty in this format is gonna be really, REALLY hard, if not altogether impossible. The positive side of that is that you’re also way less likely to ever find yourself in a long, multi-year rebuild.

With that in mind, I think DJ already is one of those players on a favorable long-term deal, but if Swift lands in a nice spot, he could be an even better value for an even longer stretch. That’s why I was hoping to get a little something back on top of DJ.
I think Moore has great long term value already also. Tough not to get rookie fever this time of your. You could always wait for the draft to happen and decide what you want to do after. Your pick will go up in value too post draft.

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Re: Salary cap/contract league offer for DJ Moore

Postby FantasyFoosball » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:45 am

With the salary cap implications and based on your team, I’d keep the 1.02 instead of using it to get DJ Moore. It’s almost half the salary and you get the player for an extra two years.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4


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