Would you take this?

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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Houptie » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:27 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
Very interesting in your stance. Can we talk through this one to understand your point? From where I am standing, in a vacuum QB is more valuable than WR in superflex, at worst they are even value. Then talking about the actual players, Jones was 13th in ppg among qb with 17 something. Moore was the 17th wr in ppg with just over 15. These are the numbers I am looking at that make me question the deal. Whats on your mind?
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QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring

2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th

12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki

2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th

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Re: Would you take this?

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:51 am

Houptie wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:27 am
Jones was 13th in ppg among qb with 17 something. Moore was the 17th wr in ppg with just over 15.
firstly, you wouldn't lose that many points if you had moore instead jones in the superflex spot.
secondly, WR 17 is more valuable than QB 13, as QB13 production is more easily replaced (drop off in points not too sharp, unlike for WR).

i might change my stance to "squeeze a bit more, but take it anyway if he isn't willing to add"

then again, you know your league better than us, QB's value may be overinflated for whatever reason.

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Re: Would you take this?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:55 am

Houptie wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:27 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
Very interesting in your stance. Can we talk through this one to understand your point? From where I am standing, in a vacuum QB is more valuable than WR in superflex, at worst they are even value. Then talking about the actual players, Jones was 13th in ppg among qb with 17 something. Moore was the 17th wr in ppg with just over 15. These are the numbers I am looking at that make me question the deal. Whats on your mind?
PPG is a fine tool, but Jones had a lot of turnover issues, and two of his biggest games came vs. awful TB and NYJ secondaries. On the other hand, Moore's QB situation is in flux, but he's getting a highly touted HC and OC.

Elite QB > elite WR, but I'd say Moore is in a higher tier of WR than Jones is QB. I'd value Moore as an early 1st in superflex and Jones as a mid/late 1st, and I'm not even as high on Moore as most.
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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Peteey84 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:33 pm

Houptie wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:56 am
Peteey84 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:50 am
With the QBs you already have and the picks you have, I think I make that trade.
Would you do it in a vaccum?
I think. DJ is a stud and I’m not a big Jones guy. I’d make the trade.
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WR: Diggs, Golladay, Keenan, Cooks, Deebo, Renfrow, Perriman, Pascal
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RB: Mixon, Carson, R. Freeman, Howard, Harris, Gaskins
WR: Tyreek, Gallup, Samuel, Davis, Isabella
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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Blackstar110 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:15 pm

If you have 1.01 and 1.02, I’m smashing accept on adding Moore tbh. Just draft Tua and Burrow.
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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Houptie » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:25 am

Blackstar110 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:15 pm
If you have 1.01 and 1.02, I’m smashing accept on adding Moore tbh. Just draft Tua and Burrow.
Backed out. He wants Kyler for Ridley lol pass
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QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring

2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th

12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki

2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th

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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
yeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameis
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Re: Would you take this?

Postby killer_of_giants » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:22 am

Mjvb5 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
yeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameis
who was a top 5 QB in most leagues. given jones was QB13 in his league, i don't think they penalise turnovers that much.
keeping the job is another matter, but i doubt they'll bail on him during his rookie contract.

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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Mjvb5 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:25 am

killer_of_giants wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:22 am
Mjvb5 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
yeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameis
who was a top 5 QB in most leagues. given jones was QB13 in his league, i don't think they penalise turnovers that much.
keeping the job is another matter, but i doubt they'll bail on him during his rookie contract.
Oh yeah if he does that play style will net years that are high end production just because of the positives they put up. But at the same time it will result in years like 2018 where who knows whats up and right now where his future is in flux. It'll also put a cap on his potential value as no matter what you do good people won't trust him to assign top end value
12 team ppr 1qb 2rb 2wt 1te 1 flex 2lb 2db 2dl 1dflex
Eli manning,
A. Brown, Dez, TY Hilton,Crabtree, K. Aiken
D. Free, Howard, Ingram, demarco, AP, Powell
Kelce
Cam Jordan,Calais Campbell, Suh, Heyward, Sheard
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Re: Would you take this?

Postby Houptie » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:33 am

Mjvb5 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am
Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
yeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameis
While I agree that he needs to work on turnovers, he ONLY threw 12 picks as a rookie on a bad team. And was still 13th in ppg. Also, SIX of the those 12 picks came in two bad bad games. One of which was Patriots, somewhat expected. Fumbles seem fluky to me. We shall see
Dynasty 12 team Superflex
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring

2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th

12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki

2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th


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