Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
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Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
12 Team PPR league where TEs get 1.5ppr. Which side of trade would you want:
Keenan Allen + 3.05
or
Deebo Samuel, Njoku, 1.10
Keenan Allen + 3.05
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Deebo Samuel, Njoku, 1.10
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Deebo side by a bit
Team 1 - 12 team PPR
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Leaning Keenan, I own both players. 1.10 isn’t enough to move Keenan for me. Njoku and 3.5 both throwins imo.
Keenan has a very nice floor and higher ceiling, by a bit, than Deebo. Wouldn’t blame someone for getting younger but I think Keenan will play for a long time still and be relevant as he gets older since most of his skills don’t rely on downfield speed and he’s a pretty big guy.
Keenan has a very nice floor and higher ceiling, by a bit, than Deebo. Wouldn’t blame someone for getting younger but I think Keenan will play for a long time still and be relevant as he gets older since most of his skills don’t rely on downfield speed and he’s a pretty big guy.
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (13th year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford,
RB: Mixon, Henry, zeke, Rochon
WR: Godwin, Olave, Deebo,DJM, Dell, MW, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Musgrave
T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (10th year)
QB: Burrow, Baker,Jameis, jimmy, Wentz,
RB: Saquon, Mixon, Rochon, Evans
WR: Pickens, QJ, Thielen, Arob, Juju, ODB, D. Parker, Osborn,
TE: Kincaid, Ertz, Freirmuth, Taysom, JWoods
T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (3rd year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Winston, Darnald
RB: JT, Javonte,Sanders, JCook, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Waddle, ARSB, Pittman, MW, Jameson, Zay, Claypool, Toney, Terrance
TE: Hock, Fant, McBride
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford,
RB: Mixon, Henry, zeke, Rochon
WR: Godwin, Olave, Deebo,DJM, Dell, MW, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Musgrave
T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (10th year)
QB: Burrow, Baker,Jameis, jimmy, Wentz,
RB: Saquon, Mixon, Rochon, Evans
WR: Pickens, QJ, Thielen, Arob, Juju, ODB, D. Parker, Osborn,
TE: Kincaid, Ertz, Freirmuth, Taysom, JWoods
T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (3rd year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Winston, Darnald
RB: JT, Javonte,Sanders, JCook, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Waddle, ARSB, Pittman, MW, Jameson, Zay, Claypool, Toney, Terrance
TE: Hock, Fant, McBride
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
I would lean Allen here. He is the best piece in the deal. If the 1st was earlier, it would be a tougher call.
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Agree here. Deebo is a nice, young asset, but hard to hate on Keenan. Keenan by a decent amount for me.Favrezilla wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:36 pm Keenan has a very nice floor and higher ceiling, by a bit, than Deebo. Wouldn’t blame someone for getting younger but I think Keenan will play for a long time still and be relevant as he gets older since most of his skills don’t rely on downfield speed and he’s a pretty big guy.
Team 1: 12T PPR SF no premiums, 4pt TDs
QB(1-2) Herbert, Tua
WR(3-5) AJB, Adams, Sutton, Boyd, Bourne, Wicks
RB(2-4) JT, Kyren, Swift, Singletary, Moss, Ford Dobbins, Tucker
TE(1-3) Hock, Jonnu, Kmet, Kraft
3.06, 3.09
Team 2: 12T PPR, TE premium, SF
QB(1-2) Cousins, Love, Tanny, Trask, McCoy, Zappe
WR(2-6) Lamb, Olave, Hollywood, Godwin, JaMo, Sutton, Diontae, Lazard, McKensie
RB(2-6) ETN, A. Jones, Dillon, Hunt, Moss, K. Miller, S. Tucker
TE(1-5) Hock, Brock Wright, Everett
Team 3: 12T PPR SF TE Prem
QB(1-2) Fields, Young, Darnold, Trask, Dalton
WR(1-6) AJB, Pittman, Hollywood, Sutton, M. Williams, Davis, Meyers, Van Jefferson, Sheperd, McKensie
RB(1-6) Jacobs, Sanders, Akers, Hunt, T. Spears, C. Brown
TE(1-6) Schultz, Hurts, Conklin
QB(1-2) Herbert, Tua
WR(3-5) AJB, Adams, Sutton, Boyd, Bourne, Wicks
RB(2-4) JT, Kyren, Swift, Singletary, Moss, Ford Dobbins, Tucker
TE(1-3) Hock, Jonnu, Kmet, Kraft
3.06, 3.09
Team 2: 12T PPR, TE premium, SF
QB(1-2) Cousins, Love, Tanny, Trask, McCoy, Zappe
WR(2-6) Lamb, Olave, Hollywood, Godwin, JaMo, Sutton, Diontae, Lazard, McKensie
RB(2-6) ETN, A. Jones, Dillon, Hunt, Moss, K. Miller, S. Tucker
TE(1-5) Hock, Brock Wright, Everett
Team 3: 12T PPR SF TE Prem
QB(1-2) Fields, Young, Darnold, Trask, Dalton
WR(1-6) AJB, Pittman, Hollywood, Sutton, M. Williams, Davis, Meyers, Van Jefferson, Sheperd, McKensie
RB(1-6) Jacobs, Sanders, Akers, Hunt, T. Spears, C. Brown
TE(1-6) Schultz, Hurts, Conklin
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
There’s only 3 wide receivers over the past 3 years that have put up WR 1 numbers each year consistently: Julio, MT, Keenan- that’s it (with KA finishing 3rd, 12th, and 6th). I would take the Allen side and it’s not close for me. I like Deebo and think he will build on this season, but there’s frankly way too many WR 3’s out there, and too little a chance for them to break into fantasy WR 1’s, much less consistent 1’s.
Dynasty Team 1:
10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex
QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce
2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8
Dynasty Team 2:
10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex
QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle
2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd
10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex
QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce
2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8
Dynasty Team 2:
10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex
QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle
2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Interesting take and very good points. I'm the one who was thinking of offering Keenan for the others. I'm not in a complete rebuild, but I am kind of stuck in the "mediocre middle" which is why I'm thinking of trying to shake things up for my team, without completely blowing it up. This would allow me to get a little younger and give me a 2nd first rounder in a deep class. And I still believe in Njoku's talent long term. And I've been thinking of the old adage "It's better to sell a year or 2 early, than a year or 2 too late." But you are making me second guess myself now.Kmani6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:00 am There’s only 3 wide receivers over the past 3 years that have put up WR 1 numbers each year consistently: Julio, MT, Keenan- that’s it (with KA finishing 3rd, 12th, and 6th). I would take the Allen side and it’s not close for me. I like Deebo and think he will build on this season, but there’s frankly way too many WR 3’s out there, and too little a chance for them to break into fantasy WR 1’s, much less consistent 1’s.
If nothing else, at least the poll confirms it's at least a fair offer. Whether I should make it or not is still the question. Thanks for the input.
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
I think it's somewhat close, especially if Njoku can stay healthy and develop into a decent TE, but right now, I'd lean towards Allen.
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Would help to know your team make up. If you’re rebuilding then Deebo, the 1.10 and Njoku isn’t bad if you believe in Njoku. Contender then it’s obviously Allen
12 Team 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 5IDP
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Keep in mind the QB situation is unsettled for the Chargers. KA is Rivers "guy" and a new QB may favor Big Mike. On the Samuel side, Manny Sanders is an FA and will be 33 when the season starts even if he signs back in the bay area. Jimmy G seems to have a rapport with Deebo and the 9ers get him involved in the running game to boot.
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
I hate when people say this stuff this time of year. Forget if you're rebuilding or not - you have 8 more months to finalize your 2020 roster. Where is the value? In this case, I think it's clearly Allen.
Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
Predicting NFL offenses of the future . All we know is KA Is a way better player than mike Williams. Mike Williams is a great deep threat, but can’t run routes like KA and isn’t on the same level as KA. So if the new supposed Chargers QB favors mike Williams that would be a mistake.
Dynasty Team 1:
10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex
QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce
2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8
Dynasty Team 2:
10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex
QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle
2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd
10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex
QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce
2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8
Dynasty Team 2:
10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex
QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle
2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
In a TE premium league, this is close. The 3.05 should be removed from the Keenan side though, and it would be even closer. I'd still lean KA though by a hair. Maybe if the first was a mid instead of a late.
It would be helpful to know your roster though. Who are your TE's and other WR's for example?
It would be helpful to know your roster though. Who are your TE's and other WR's for example?
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
2024: 3rd
Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
2024: 3rd
Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
deebo was a wr1 in a fulltime role the second half of the season...as a rookie! im a giant KA fan but deebo and njoku (freddie bathrooms is gone so he should be getting a fresh start) plus a 1st in a great class would be plenty for me to move KA, age plays a big factor here for me as well.
interesting also that deebo had more 100 yard games and the same number of TD despite one less game played.
interesting also that deebo had more 100 yard games and the same number of TD despite one less game played.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
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Re: Keenan Allen or Deebo+?
BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:23 am deebo was a wr1 in a fulltime role the second half of the season...as a rookie! im a giant KA fan but deebo and njoku (freddie bathrooms is gone so he should be getting a fresh start) plus a 1st in a great class would be plenty for me to move KA, age plays a big factor here for me as well.
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