Kelce for Goedert/1st+

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Rebuilding, PPR, SF, no TE premium

Kelce
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Goedert, 2020 1st (late), 2020 3rd, Lock, Justice Hill
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Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby nosferatu » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:46 pm

For team in signature. I've been trying to sell Kelce all season. Rebuilding, PPR, SF, no TE premium.

Give: Kelce
Get: Goedert, 2020 1st (late), 2020 3rd, Lock, Justice Hill

I've not gotten any offers close to this return for Kelce. Should I take it or hold out into next year for more value?
A - 12tm PPR: QB, SFLX, 3RB, 3WR, TE, FLX

QBs: Burrow, Lawrence, Fields, Darnold, Wilson, Rypien
RBs: Dillon, Nwangwu, junk
WRs: Chark, Reagor, Chase, Smith, Bateman, Mooney, Rodgers, Waddle, Preston, Lazard
TEs: Herndon, Freiermuth, Sternberger
2022: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4

B - 12tm PPR: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 2FLX (SFLX in 2022)

QBs: Mahomes, Ryan, Eason
RBs: Cook, Jones, Gordon, Robinson, Gibson, Mattison, Harris, Jackson, Hasty, Michel
WRs: Adams, Nuk, Golladay, Boyd, Preston, Shepard, Gage, Harry
TEs: Henry, Ebron, Hurst, Graham
2021: 1.11, 3.11, 4.11 2022: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:52 pm

If you are just trying to dump him, the 1st and Goedert is not a bad return, but I would want more. Sounds like this may be your best offer based on trying to move him all season.

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:57 pm

I see this as a late 1st + early 2nd for Kelce, which isn't nearly enough for me to sell him. Plus, you already have three 2020 1sts and four 2020 2nds, so it's not like you're desperate for youth. Kelce should be a top-5 TE for at least another year and a top-10 TE option for multiple years.
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby nosferatu » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:12 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:57 pm I see this as a late 1st + early 2nd for Kelce, which isn't nearly enough for me to sell him. Plus, you already have three 2020 1sts and four 2020 2nds, so it's not like you're desperate for youth. Kelce should be a top-5 TE for at least another year and a top-10 TE option for multiple years.
Well as you can see my team needs a lot of work. I've been trying to sell Kelce to lower my potential points to lock in 1.01. Unless I have a monster week, it seems like 1.01 is mine. No one has wanted to buy him at non-discounted prices, so perhaps I should just hold for now. I just can't foresee anyone paying much more than this after having discussions with most of the league to try to sell him.

What if the deal was Goedert, 2x 2020 1sts (both late)? The owner won't budge on it, but I could say that or nothing.
A - 12tm PPR: QB, SFLX, 3RB, 3WR, TE, FLX

QBs: Burrow, Lawrence, Fields, Darnold, Wilson, Rypien
RBs: Dillon, Nwangwu, junk
WRs: Chark, Reagor, Chase, Smith, Bateman, Mooney, Rodgers, Waddle, Preston, Lazard
TEs: Herndon, Freiermuth, Sternberger
2022: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4

B - 12tm PPR: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 2FLX (SFLX in 2022)

QBs: Mahomes, Ryan, Eason
RBs: Cook, Jones, Gordon, Robinson, Gibson, Mattison, Harris, Jackson, Hasty, Michel
WRs: Adams, Nuk, Golladay, Boyd, Preston, Shepard, Gage, Harry
TEs: Henry, Ebron, Hurst, Graham
2021: 1.11, 3.11, 4.11 2022: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:47 pm

nosferatu wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:12 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:57 pm I see this as a late 1st + early 2nd for Kelce, which isn't nearly enough for me to sell him. Plus, you already have three 2020 1sts and four 2020 2nds, so it's not like you're desperate for youth. Kelce should be a top-5 TE for at least another year and a top-10 TE option for multiple years.
What if the deal was Goedert, 2x 2020 1sts (both late)? The owner won't budge on it, but I could say that or nothing.
I'd sell for that. If he won't budge, I'd counter with Kelce for the two late 1sts even without Goedert.
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby mmass » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:34 pm

I would want a little more but not a bad starting point
Superflex Format Q(SF)RWWFFTDK 12 Team PPR
SF1 - Yr 2
Goff Ryan Darnold Dalton
CMC Cohen Hines McFarland Peterson
Hopkins Adams Boyd Jeffery Shepard Boykins Higgins Quntez Duverney
Andrews Waller


SF2 - Yr 7 - 2019 Champ
Wentz Dak Goff Grier Brisset
Cook Mixon Hyde Mattison Edmonds Boone
M.Thomas Sutton Edelman J.Landry
Kittle Goedart Higbee


SF3 - Yr 4
Watson Burrow Goff Foles
Barkley Ja.Williams
Hopkins Evans Sutton Lamb Shepard VSM K.Harmon
Higbee Smith Howard


SF4 - Orphan Year 2
Dak Jones Taylor Brisset Eason Hurts
Taylor CEH Edmonds Dobbins
Boyd Ridley Mclaurin Lamb Reagor Harry Bryan Perriman Hurd
Andrews Goedart

2020 2 1st & 2nd

Deep Format - QQRRWWWTTFFDDKK 10 team PPR
Deep 2 Yr 5
Brady Stafford Lock Dalton Brissett
CMC Mixon Taylor Dillon DJ Hyde
Evans Hopkins Julio Edelman Gallup D.Jackson Mimz Claypool Boykin
Engram Gesicki Fant Herndon Dissly

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:13 am

I would need at least one more late 2020 First on top of the current package, to sell Kelce
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
/
TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
/
TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
/
TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
/
TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
/
TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby Adam_172 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:34 am

Not enough for me but enough there to get negotiations started. Maybe swap out Lock and Hill for something more substantial.

Maybe Kelce + 2 1sts although that may be too high a price.
TEAM 1
Dynasty PPR 1QB (12 Team League)

QB - Murray, Fields, Pickett, Howell.
RB - Gibbs, R. White, Swift, Javonte Williams, Charbonnet, Allegier, Tank Bigsby, Penny.
WR - Nacua, Dell, Hollywood, Jameson Williams, Burks, Mooney, Atwell, Melton, Phillips, Washington, Lazard.
TE - Ferguson, Mayer, Knox.
DEF - Bills, Vikings.

Rookie Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02.


TEAM 2
Dynasty PPR - SuperFlex and TE Prem. (16 teams)

QB - Prescott, Pickett, Ridder, Mariota, Mullins, Willis.
RB - Walker III, R. White, Montgomery, Singletary, R. Jones, Mack, Hull, Sermon.
WR - Adams, Higgins, Watson, Meyers, Gabe Davis, W. Robinson, Dotson, Raymond, ARob.
TE - McBride, H. Henry, B. Jordan, Bates, B. Hopkins.

Rookie Picks: 2.14 and 3.14.

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby nosferatu » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 am

Adam_172 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:34 am Not enough for me but enough there to get negotiations started. Maybe swap out Lock and Hill for something more substantial.

Maybe Kelce + 2 1sts although that may be too high a price.
Yea he admits openly the Goedert + 2 late 1st is fair but he's not willing to pay that much. I've tried getting a more substantial piece like gallup too but can't get there. He just values Goedert higher.
A - 12tm PPR: QB, SFLX, 3RB, 3WR, TE, FLX

QBs: Burrow, Lawrence, Fields, Darnold, Wilson, Rypien
RBs: Dillon, Nwangwu, junk
WRs: Chark, Reagor, Chase, Smith, Bateman, Mooney, Rodgers, Waddle, Preston, Lazard
TEs: Herndon, Freiermuth, Sternberger
2022: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4

B - 12tm PPR: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, 2FLX (SFLX in 2022)

QBs: Mahomes, Ryan, Eason
RBs: Cook, Jones, Gordon, Robinson, Gibson, Mattison, Harris, Jackson, Hasty, Michel
WRs: Adams, Nuk, Golladay, Boyd, Preston, Shepard, Gage, Harry
TEs: Henry, Ebron, Hurst, Graham
2021: 1.11, 3.11, 4.11 2022: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby Tobin » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:35 am

This is basically Goedert and 2020 late 1st for Kelce, Goedert is the future TE for Eagles, but a late first add is kinda slim. The other stuff is just smoke to make it appear better, Hill could have value in 2 years. With your team in rebuild the way it is, does he have a 2nd or something else can toss in....I would gather as many 1st and 2nd round picks possible with your team and blow it up...
TEAM 1:
12 team 6pt passing TD - 6pts other TDs / 1 ppr
Start QB,2RB,3WR,TE,1Flex,1K,1DST
QB: Fields, Jones, Flacco, Browning
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Swift, K.Williams, J.Warren, Hunt
WR: J.Jefferson, Lamb, D.Adams, Pittman, London, M.Evans, R.Moore, E.Moore
TE: Hockenson, Kmet, Dulcich, Johnson, Otton

TEAM 2:
12 team 4pt passing TD - 6pts other TDs / 1 ppr
Start QB,2RB,3WR,TE,1Flex,1K,1DST
QB: Dak, Pickett, Levis, Browning
RB: Achaine, Gibbs, Spears, Javonte, Gibson
WR: Lamb, Pittman, DJM, J.Williams, JSN, Burks, J.Dotson, E.Moore,
TE: Hockenson, Ferguso, Dulcich, Musgrave

TEAM 3:
12 team 6pt passing TD - 6pts other TDs / 1 pp1 - Superflex, TE Premium
1 QB / 2 RB / 3 WR / 1 TE / 2 Flex / SFlex
QB: Burrow, Richardson, Jones, O'Connell, Zappe
RB: Gibbs, K.Williams, Dobbins, CEH, R.Johnson
WR: Lamb, Pittman, G.Wilson, M.Brown, Sutton, Burks, Z.Jones, D.Douglas, Tillman
TE: Hockenson, Kincaid, Dulcich, Musgrave, Kraft

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:52 pm

nosferatu wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 am Yea he admits openly the Goedert + 2 late 1st is fair but he's not willing to pay that much. I've tried getting a more substantial piece like gallup too but can't get there. He just values Goedert higher.
Goedert owners are delusional. Since he overvalues Goedert, I'd just counter with Kelce straight up for picks, two late 1sts + 2nd.
Kittles Pox | Championships: 2015, 2017
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby BradysBunch » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:26 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:52 pm
nosferatu wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 am Yea he admits openly the Goedert + 2 late 1st is fair but he's not willing to pay that much. I've tried getting a more substantial piece like gallup too but can't get there. He just values Goedert higher.
Goedert owners are delusional. Since he overvalues Goedert, I'd just counter with Kelce straight up for picks, two late 1sts + 2nd.
This. Two late firsts is pretty good for a rebuilding team.
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst

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Re: Kelce for Goedert/1st+

Postby honcho55 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:37 am

I’m going fishing for different trade partners here. Two late 1sts isn’t enough imo. (Obviously I like kelce and Goedert too)

Maybe send out a feeler for some owners of guys who underwhelmed this year? Mixon, obj, juju, see if there’s a deal there?
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy

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