DJ Moore

[dark_knite03]

I would never move Moore for that ... Jones is completely inconsequential to the equation ... Moore = 1.03 & Golladay = late #1. So you’re offering two late #1’s for 1.03. During the draft I might do 1.03 for two late #1’s but until the available player pool of the late first round is better defined, there’s no way I’d take the uncertainty risk.

You won't get golladay for a late first anywhere.
I like Moore but feel the value is on the golladay side of the trade here

[Adam_172]

I would never move Moore for that ... Jones is completely inconsequential to the equation ... Moore = 1.03 & Golladay = late #1. So you’re offering two late #1’s for 1.03. During the draft I might do 1.03 for two late #1’s but until the available player pool of the late first round is better defined, there’s no way I’d take the uncertainty risk.

You'd sell Golladay for a late 1st? lol. Wow, you are really low on him aren't you.

[Forza_Azzurri]

I would never move Moore for that ... Jones is completely inconsequential to the equation ... Moore = 1.03 & Golladay = late #1. So you’re offering two late #1’s for 1.03. During the draft I might do 1.03 for two late #1’s but until the available player pool of the late first round is better defined, there’s no way I’d take the uncertainty risk.

You'd sell Golladay for a late 1st? lol. Wow, you are really low on him aren't you.

Not so much Golladay as any player on Detroit ... The Lions two best players over the last 50 plus years both retired early to escape the organization.

As it relates to the 2020 draft, I’d put Golladay behind:

RBs:
Swift
Taylor
Etienne
Dobbins
Akers (maybe)

WRs:
Jeudy
Lamb
Ruggs
Shenault (maybe)

So I’d guess I’d put his value around 1.08 / 1.09

[Kmani6]

He's much closer to having an Elite QB than Det.

Not exactly sure what you mean here??? I would argue Stafford is very much elite, incredibly durable and only 31 years old. Versus Cam or Allen, I would take Stafford 1,000 out of 1,000 times to throw to my WR.

Right? If anything when Stafford gets back to full form we could see some crazy things from Golladay... He’s already having a major breakout year with what he’s working with now. He could have something like 12-13 TDs and he’s 6 4 and a redzone beast I wouldn’t tag a first on him at all.

[Titans95]

I like Moore over Golladay but I would think they are likely pretty close in value? Not a 2020 1st difference I would think. Marvin Jones is someone I could care less about long term.

[Zacsby]

Not so much Golladay as any player on Detroit ... The Lions two best players over the last 50 plus years both retired early to escape the organization.

As it relates to the 2020 draft, I’d put Golladay behind:

RBs:
Swift
Taylor
Etienne
Dobbins
Akers (maybe)

WRs:
Jeudy
Lamb
Ruggs
Shenault (maybe)

So I’d guess I’d put his value around 1.08 / 1.09

What do Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson have to do with Detroit's current fantasy production? You're going to put a top 20 WR entering his prime behind players like Etienne, Dobbins, Ruggs and Shenault? Hell even Swift, Taylor, Jeudy and Lamb still have to prove themselves. Quite an interesting valuation...

As someone who owns both, they are too close in value to add much to either side. If I was competing I'd want Golladay. Rebuilding, I'd want DJM obviously. Definitely wouldnt add anything more than a 2nd in either scenario.

[dark_knite03]

I would never move Moore for that ... Jones is completely inconsequential to the equation ... Moore = 1.03 & Golladay = late #1. So you’re offering two late #1’s for 1.03. During the draft I might do 1.03 for two late #1’s but until the available player pool of the late first round is better defined, there’s no way I’d take the uncertainty risk.

You'd sell Golladay for a late 1st? lol. Wow, you are really low on him aren't you.

Not so much Golladay as any player on Detroit ... The Lions two best players over the last 50 plus years both retired early to escape the organization.

As it relates to the 2020 draft, I’d put Golladay behind:

RBs:
Swift
Taylor
Etienne
Dobbins
Akers (maybe)

WRs:
Jeudy
Lamb
Ruggs
Shenault (maybe)

So I’d guess I’d put his value around 1.08 / 1.09

Pure insanity.....Golladay is going to be a 3rd round pick in start-ups.

[Favrezilla]

Stafford has generated consistent QB1 production for the vast majority of his career, played significantly injured last season, always plays hurt and continues to quietly grind out QB1 production year in and year out. He's probably one of the most underrated QB's out there. His historical finishes every year in a standard 4-pt passing TD league:

2011: #4
2012: #9
2013: #7
2014: #15
2015: #8
2016: #6
2017: #5
2018: #18 (played seriously injured for a good majority of the season)
2019: currently #14, with 3 full missed games. He was #5 prior to injury.

Not sure Carolina can find this type of production with a dart-throw draft pick anytime soon, we all know QB’s are almost impossible to find and Stafford is and has been about as consistent as it gets.

Edit: And sorry to hijack the thread!

This guy gets it. I never understand how Stafford gets a bad rap, he has one bad season and everyone wants that to be the rule and not exception. I had someone offer me a 2nd for him recently (serious offer and offended when I decline and explained why)

As far as DJM vs Golladay. I see them as equal. ZERO chance I’d pay much on top of golladay for him and I’m very high on DJM

[Forza_Azzurri]

You'd sell Golladay for a late 1st? lol. Wow, you are really low on him aren't you.

Not so much Golladay as any player on Detroit ... The Lions two best players over the last 50 plus years both retired early to escape the organization.

As it relates to the 2020 draft, I’d put Golladay behind:

RBs:
Swift
Taylor
Etienne
Dobbins
Akers (maybe)

WRs:
Jeudy
Lamb
Ruggs
Shenault (maybe)

So I’d guess I’d put his value around 1.08 / 1.09

Pure insanity.....Golladay is going to be a 3rd round pick in start-ups.

Dude, chill out. It’s not like I’m saying Golladay is worth a rookie #3 ... we’re arguing about a handful of draft spots. To each his own, I guess I discount his situation more than you do.

[Ramosiano]

Golladay is 4 years olden than Moore...

Moore side by a lot... MVJ is a great player too... top20 wr this year

[hoos89]

How about trying to ask for a 2nd?

I’m high on DJ but Kenny+ 1st for DJ+ a 2nd sounds a lot better for you. If possible

Not sure how DJ + 2nd for Kenny + 1st is materially better...Marvin Jones is WR14 on the year and I think is worth a 2nd pretty easily.

What do Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson have to do with Detroit's current fantasy production? You're going to put a top 20 WR entering his prime behind players like Etienne, Dobbins, Ruggs and Shenault? Hell even Swift, Taylor, Jeudy and Lamb still have to prove themselves. Quite an interesting valuation...

As someone who owns both, they are too close in value to add much to either side. If I was competing I'd want Golladay. Rebuilding, I'd want DJM obviously. Definitely wouldnt add anything more than a 2nd in either scenario.

Unless you're in a non-PPR format, why would you prefer Golladay to Moore if you're competing? Moore and Golladay have essentially the same fantasy production in PPR this season, with a slight edge to Moore. I don't understand how DJ Moore does not seem to get the age premium that previous WRs who have broken out in their early 20s received...perhaps it will come after this season is over and people are able to actually see his full season numbers? It's kind of weird to me that people are arguing that Moore and Golladay are worth about the same when they have comparable production this season in PPR formats and Moore is 4 years younger.

(Also I think you included Dobbins in the wrong list...he might go top 4.)

[jpusmc0311]

I think with a healthy Stafford, Golladay is almost the same value as Moore.

[jonesmaster]

How about trying to ask for a 2nd?

I’m high on DJ but Kenny+ 1st for DJ+ a 2nd sounds a lot better for you. If possible

Not sure how DJ + 2nd for Kenny + 1st is materially better...Marvin Jones is WR14 on the year and I think is worth a 2nd pretty easily.

What do Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson have to do with Detroit's current fantasy production? You're going to put a top 20 WR entering his prime behind players like Etienne, Dobbins, Ruggs and Shenault? Hell even Swift, Taylor, Jeudy and Lamb still have to prove themselves. Quite an interesting valuation...

As someone who owns both, they are too close in value to add much to either side. If I was competing I'd want Golladay. Rebuilding, I'd want DJM obviously. Definitely wouldnt add anything more than a 2nd in either scenario.

Unless you're in a non-PPR format, why would you prefer Golladay to Moore if you're competing? Moore and Golladay have essentially the same fantasy production in PPR this season, with a slight edge to Moore. I don't understand how DJ Moore does not seem to get the age premium that previous WRs who have broken out in their early 20s received...perhaps it will come after this season is over and people are able to actually see his full season numbers? It's kind of weird to me that people are arguing that Moore and Golladay are worth about the same when they have comparable production this season in PPR formats and Moore is 4 years younger.

(Also I think you included Dobbins in the wrong list...he might go top 4.)

Just to add, why doesn't DJ Moore get a bump for being QB proof too? We all know Golladay has an ELITE QB to play with

[Zacsby]

As far as this year and likely next year goes Golladay can say hes the top dog in his entire offense. And he has by far the best QB situation. There are pros and cons to each which is why i said i would prefer different players in different situations. I accounted for plus/minus with a 2nd round pick and that pretty much lines up with the current ADP data that I've seen so it seems to all add up.

[themburns]

The way I see it, it's Moore > Golladay, and I think Marvin Jones is underrated as hell and is worth a 2nd to a contender. So I see it as almost a pick swap. Now, I don't know you'll be able to flip in time, but it's not the end of the world. Depends how strongly you feel about this upcoming class. I'm taking the stud in hand with Moore.