Ethical Dilemma

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Ethical Dilemma

Postby Jcedwards » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:06 pm

Need some input on this situation that has happened in my league. I’m not the commissioner, but just a devoted league member.

This trade was agreed to:
TEAM A trades Golladay, David Johnson, 2020 2nd
TEAM B trades Marvin Jones, Ballage, 3 3rds (2 2020, 1 2021)

While the trade is awful, that’s not the concerning part. The commissioner has started to take 1 draft pick away for every player that is in a starting lineup who is on bye/ out when they have another option on the bench to plug in. This is to keep it competitive. Team A already got his 5th taken away last week and was going to get his 2nd, 3rd , and 4th taken away this week (essentially nullifying the trade). Well the same 2 teams made another trade of Team B trading Gus Edwards to Team A for absolutely nothing.

It seems very fishy that the 2nd trade was agreed to and mainly so the 1st trade can happen. It just seems very unethical in my opinion. Is it worth making a stink about or is it that big a deal?

Team A is a new team this year and obviously doesn’t know much about dynasty leagues and is going to miss the playoffs. Team B is in the playoffs and is probably going to be a 3-5 seed.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Carr
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1.12, 2.02, 3.05
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby steelman » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:39 pm

I'm having trouble figuring out what Gus Edwards has to do with the other trade, and how can the other trade even go through if Team A is going to lose those picks he plans on trading? Either he has the picks to trade or he doesn't

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Jcedwards » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:51 pm

steelman wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:39 pm
I'm having trouble figuring out what Gus Edwards has to do with the other trade, and how can the other trade even go through if Team A is going to lose those picks he plans on trading? Either he has the picks to trade or he doesn't
Team A had 3 spots in his starting lineup that had people with a bye or just an open spot (DJ, Rudolph, kicker) when he had an alternative on his bench to put in. He was going to lose his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks if he didn’t put someone in his lineup. He traded for Gus Edwards and slid him into his RB slot, but didn’t trade anyone/ anything. This way he only loses his 3rd and 4th (since he has 2 spots now open) but keeps his 2nd. Therefore, the other trade can now work. The commissioner takes away the lowest picks first so that’s why his 4th and 3rd are getting taken, but not his 2nd. The entire situation seems real shady to me, not to mention it is a terrible trade (the 1st one)
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Carr
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1.12, 2.02, 3.05
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:56 pm

The situation seems very strange to me. The most recent trade is awful. Why did the owner trade for Edwards to edit his lineup and then leave two other players out? Sounds like he is not invested in the league which really drags down a dynasty league. I wonder if replacing the owner is needed?
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12 Team, PPR, 30 roster: 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 DST, 1 K
QB: Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen
RB: Alvin Kamara, Joe Mixon, Rodney Anderson
WR: Kenny Golladay, Chris Godwin, Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, Dede Westbrook, Christian Kirk, Mike Williams, Mecole Hardman, Josh Reynolds, Equanimeous St. Brown
TE: O.J. Howard, David Njoku, Greg Olsen, Ian Thomas

Picks: 2020: 1.01, 1.03, 2.12, 3.11, 4.08, 5.08 2021: 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby vixen » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 pm

this seems pretty wonky..
do you have shallow rosters? is that the reason for having players with byes in the lineup?
I appreciate the loss of draft spots per violation, but owners should only be allowed to violate the rule a couple times.. then they should be removed..
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
mahomes, Dan Jones
kamara, mack, lindsay, AP/love,Jaylen, Pollard, McKissic
antonio, AJG, thielen, sutton, kirk, Hurd, JJAW, Slayton, Gage
Hooper, Herndon, Griffin, Dissly
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Jimmy GQ, Brissett
DHenry, DJ, DFreeman, McKinnon, Samuels, Darwin Thompson
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Sutton,Jo Brown, Boyd, ]JJAW, Harmon, Preston Williams
Andrews, Herndon, Fant
team 3-superflex/TE premium 1-2QB 1-6RB 2-7WR 1-6TE (10 total)
R/W=.2ppc/1ppr/.25pt per target TE=1.5ppr/.35per target/.15per yd
also .1pt per return yd/.05 per attempt
Josh Allen,Jones
Cook/Latavius, Chubb, Sanders, White
Lockett, Kupp, Watkins, Jo Brown, Slayton, Preston Williams, Isabella, Hurd, Patterson, Funchess/Cain, Agholor
Andrews, Herndon/Griffin, I Thomas, Waller, Fant, Moreau

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Jcedwards » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:18 pm

Gator Sens wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:56 pm
The situation seems very strange to me. The most recent trade is awful. Why did the owner trade for Edwards to edit his lineup and then leave two other players out? Sounds like he is not invested in the league which really drags down a dynasty league. I wonder if replacing the owner is needed?
He traded for Edwards in order to keep his 2nd round pick. Keeping his 2nd round pick allows him do the first trade now. I assume he kept the others the same because they had already played (kicker was Folk on his bench) or he doesn’t have the room to drop someone to pick up another TE. He’s new this year and has been doing a decent job, but these last couple of weeks he has just made some terrible decisions/ trades (which makes me think he doesn’t care anymore)
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Carr
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1.12, 2.02, 3.05
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Jcedwards » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:19 pm

vixen wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 pm
this seems pretty wonky..
do you have shallow rosters? is that the reason for having players with byes in the lineup?
I appreciate the loss of draft spots per violation, but owners should only be allowed to violate the rule a couple times.. then they should be removed..
We have 23 man rosters. 10 starting and 13 bench players. So he had several options to plug in, but decided not too. Yea this is already his 2nd time violating the rules. Last week was 1 player and this week was going to be 3, until this whole situation.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Carr
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1.12, 2.02, 3.05
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 pm

Jcedwards wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:06 pm
Need some input on this situation that has happened in my league. I’m not the commissioner, but just a devoted league member.

This trade was agreed to:
TEAM A trades Golladay, David Johnson, 2020 2nd
TEAM B trades Marvin Jones, Ballage, 3 3rds (2 2020, 1 2021)

While the trade is awful, that’s not the concerning part. The commissioner has started to take 1 draft pick away for every player that is in a starting lineup who is on bye/ out when they have another option on the bench to plug in. This is to keep it competitive. Team A already got his 5th taken away last week and was going to get his 2nd, 3rd , and 4th taken away this week (essentially nullifying the trade). Well the same 2 teams made another trade of Team B trading Gus Edwards to Team A for absolutely nothing.

It seems very fishy that the 2nd trade was agreed to and mainly so the 1st trade can happen. It just seems very unethical in my opinion. Is it worth making a stink about or is it that big a deal?

Team A is a new team this year and obviously doesn’t know much about dynasty leagues and is going to miss the playoffs. Team B is in the playoffs and is probably going to be a 3-5 seed.
Assuming you mean he literally got traded for nothing, not a single asset coming back, then you need to leave that league ASAP. Even if you're not being literal (Edwards was traded for Nick Boyle or something), still seems fishy enough. I would bounce and find a grown up league.
TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
BREES, Jimmy G, Haskins, Lock, Keenum
COOK/JACOBS/BELL, Gurley, D Washington, Shady, Gio, Gallman, M Davis, Rodney A
NUK/HILL/EVANS/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, Hilton, Edelman, Wims, Dez
KITTLE, Waller, Irv, Akins, Graham
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get slight bump in scoring
GOFF, Darnold, Brissett, Tyrod
SAQUON/MIXON, Gallman, L Miller
NUK/EVANS/OBJ/K ALLEN/THIELEN, Hollywood, Edelman, R Anderson, A Tate, Coutee
KITTLE/ENGRAM, Ian Thomas, James O
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Danielle Hunter, Aaron Donald, and Chris Jones are the cornerstones of my IDP squad. LBs and DBs are rag tag for now.

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby FantasyFoosball » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:17 am

This league sounds horrendous. I'd get out while you can.
10 Team Dynasty Salary Cap League with 0.5 PPR and IDP - Est. 2018
2018 - Champions!
2019 - Champions!!
35-40 man rosters - $200 budget
Starting Positions:
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 TE
1 WR/TE
1 K
9 IDP positions
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
3 DL/LB/DB

Current Roster:
QB - Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady
RB - Christian McCaffrey, Chris Carson, Derrius Guice, Raheem Mostert, Sony Michel, Rashaad Penny, Damien Harris
WR - DeAndre Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Chris Godwin, Robert Woods, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Parris Campbell, Anthony Miller, John Ross
TE - George Kittle, Dallas Goedert, Mike Gesicki, Will Dissly, Dawson Knox
K - Matt Gay
DL - Joey Bosa, DeForest Buckner, Cameron Heyward, Robert Quinn
LB - Darius Leonard, Lavonte David, Dre Greenlaw, Matt Milano, Telvin Smith
DB - John Johnson III, Logan Ryan, Shawn Williams, Kevin Byard, Kevin King

2020 - 4.05
2021 - 1st, 2nd, 3rd
2022 - 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Jcedwards » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:48 am

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:14 pm
Jcedwards wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:06 pm
Need some input on this situation that has happened in my league. I’m not the commissioner, but just a devoted league member.

This trade was agreed to:
TEAM A trades Golladay, David Johnson, 2020 2nd
TEAM B trades Marvin Jones, Ballage, 3 3rds (2 2020, 1 2021)

While the trade is awful, that’s not the concerning part. The commissioner has started to take 1 draft pick away for every player that is in a starting lineup who is on bye/ out when they have another option on the bench to plug in. This is to keep it competitive. Team A already got his 5th taken away last week and was going to get his 2nd, 3rd , and 4th taken away this week (essentially nullifying the trade). Well the same 2 teams made another trade of Team B trading Gus Edwards to Team A for absolutely nothing.

It seems very fishy that the 2nd trade was agreed to and mainly so the 1st trade can happen. It just seems very unethical in my opinion. Is it worth making a stink about or is it that big a deal?

Team A is a new team this year and obviously doesn’t know much about dynasty leagues and is going to miss the playoffs. Team B is in the playoffs and is probably going to be a 3-5 seed.
Assuming you mean he literally got traded for nothing, not a single asset coming back, then you need to leave that league ASAP. Even if you're not being literal (Edwards was traded for Nick Boyle or something), still seems fishy enough. I would bounce and find a grown up league.
Yea he literally got traded for nothing. Wasn’t a player or pick at all sent back to him. A couple other things than happened in this league that have irked me, so I think this is the final straw for me.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Winston / Carr
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Mixon / Aaron Jones / Bernard / Justice Hill / Chris Thompson / Collins
WR- M Thomas / OBJ / Cooper / Lockett / Fitzgerald / Perriman
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Njoku
D/ST- Bears / Pats
K- Butker

IR- Herndon

Taxi- Pollard / Sutton / Diontae Johnson / Boykin / Dawson Knox

Picks- 2020: 1.12, 2.02, 3.05
2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Dibbles » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:09 am

Im a no veto guy but when a player is traded for ZERO in return, that is unacceptable. I would bail on the league or vote to boot both offenders.

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby infamousbacardi » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:23 am

The Gus Edwards issue doesn't seem that crazy to me. He needed to add him to keep the draft pick so that their main trade would go through.

I'd give up Gus Edwards on top of that package for that return, it's a complete fleecing...if I was the owner of Team B I'd have a VERY vested interest in that trade going through and not getting shot down because Team A owner didn't have the pick anymore to make the trade work.

I'm more concerned with how bad the trade is. You could actually make an argument that package in a dynasty league is just a little shy in total for solely Golladay, let alone DJ and a 2 on top of it...that's awful.
10 team league (PPR). 31 player rosters. Keep all 31. Start 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 5 WRs, 2 TEs.

QB: Cousins, Flacco, Minshew (R), Keenum, B. Allen
RB: Chubb, Mixon, M. Gordon, Ekeler, C. Edmonds, Breida, D. Henderson (R), P. Laird (R)
WR: Diggs, D.J. Chark, C. Kirk, E. Sanders, C. Davis, D. Slayton (R), D. Pettis, K. Coutee, A. Tate, P. Williams (R) (IR), A. Callaway
TE: Kittle, D. Walker, Hollister, I. Thomas, C. Herndon (IR)

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby BigBawseRoss » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:32 am

the first trade is totally bogus no matter how much dynasty experience you have. working around the system to make a bogus trade work is even more bogus. get out. not worth causing a stink. if the commish cared it wouldnt happen
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Rivers , Rosen, Fitzpatrick, Tyrod
Kamara, McCoy, D FreemanCohen, Bibbs, Clement,J. Allen, ty mont,Ito Smith
K Allen, Hopkins, M Williams, AROB Alshon,KeKe,MVS,T McLaurin
Ebron Graham, Njoku, Irv

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Trubitsky, Dak
Chubb,Mixon, D Henry,Coleman, D Harris, Armstead, Mostert
Hopkins, K Allen, M Evans, C Davis, Watkins, Arob, M Williams, Edleman, J Gordon, Hurd
Ertz, Everett, Fant


team 3
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team 4
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team 5
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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby Dynastydumpsterfire » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:04 am

get out.
10 Team 1pt ppr. START 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 2 RB/WR/TE 1LB 1 S/CB 1DL 1DFLEX
QB.-Brady, Garrappalo, Minshew, Bridgewater, Newton
RB.-Chubb, Kamara, C. Thompson, L. Murray, J. Mckinon
WR.- Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Marvin Jones ,T. Smith, H. Renfrow, A. Tate, M. Sanu, Z. Pascal,
C. Conley, K. Johnson, J. Meyers
TE.- Kyle Rudolph , K. Warring, D Fells
K.-The Leg
LB.-Leonard, Kuechley,
S/CB.- J Johnson III, J. Simmons
DL.-Hunter,

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Re: Ethical Dilemma

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:50 am

I THINK I understand what they were trying to do, abnd the trading owners could try and defend it THIS TIME, but I would move on from the league. It's walking too fine a line imo.
12 man Superflex deep starting requirements with even scoring among positions

11 starters - QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, Superflex, Flex, Flex, Flex.

1 PPR, 1 points every 10 yards rushing/receiving, 4 points per 100 passing, 4 point passing TDs, -2 INT.

TE premium 1.5 PPR and 1 point per 8.5 yards receiving.

QB- Russel Wilson, Sam Darnold, Kyle Allen, Cam Newton, Dwayne Haskins, Bad Luck, Sean Mannion, Tim Boyle

RB -Dalvin Cook, James White, Raashad Penny, Bo Scarborough

WR - Davante Adams, Mike Evans, JuJu, Keenan Allen, Tyler Boyd, Robby Anderson, Allen Lazard, Antonio Callaway, Kelvin Harmon, Tim Patrick, Russel Gage

TE - Evan Engram, Chris Herndon, Noah Fant, Gerald Everett, Jacob Hollister, Jordan Thomas


2020- 1,3,3,4,5
2021 -1,2,3,4


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