Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

How’d I do?

You overpaid
5
24%
You paid appropriately/got a good deal
16
76%
 
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Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Blackstar110 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:46 pm

I was gonna be more of a seller/holder at the deadline by design, but when I heard rumblings Nuk was getting shopped with a couple hours before the deadline, I banged a U-ey and went after him.

I gave:
Hardman
Singletary
Harry
Two late 2020 1sts
2020 3rd
2021 3rd

I got:
Hopkins

The hot take machine has been buzzing in my league all day — it’s the biggest trade that’s ever gone down by far, and responses have ranged from how I got absolutely taken to the cleaners to how they can’t believe I got Hopkins without sending an established player. We’re still only a couple years into dynasty... how’d I do? It came together quickly and was a lot to give, but I don’t think I’d have taken less if I were the Nuk owner, who was totally bereft of talent outside of him.

(You can mostly disregard the contract info in my sig for this purpose — I get one extension per year and will be extending the most key guys as we go. Salaries will be a factor, but I’m confident I can afford to keep the band together for a while).
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10 Team RealitySportsOnline League, Half-PPR (6-1)
1QB, 2HB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLX **Adding additional superflex in 2021. Years under contract in parentheses. Two extensions and one franchise tag available per year**

QB: Mahomes (1), Stafford (4), Herbert (4)
HB: Cook (2), Sanders (3), Hunt (1), Montgomery (3), Mostert (1), Jones II (2)
WR: Hopkins (1), Moore (2), Diontae Johnson (2), Higgins (4), John Brown (2), Miller (2), Mooney (1), Cooks (3), Edwards (4), Antonio Brown (2)
TE: Andrews (4), Jonnu Smith (3)
IR: Penny (2), Mims (4)
Future Picks: 2022 2nd
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12 Team Dynasty League, Half-PPR (5-2)
1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 1FLX, 1 SFX

QB: Murray, Tagovailoa, Dalton
HB: Taylor, Conner, Singletary, Harris
WR: AJ Brown, Godwin, Reagor, Mike Williams, Watkins, Edwards, Miller, Mooney, Davis
TE: Gesicki, Fells
IR: Prescott, Beckham Jr.
Future Picks: All

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm

Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby mmass » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:57 pm

I'd pay that in a second for Hopkins..... of course I own him in something like 4 or 5 out of 7 leagues.... love me some nuk
Superflex Format Q(SF)RWWFFTDK 12 Team PPR
SF1 - Yr 2
Goff Ryan Darnold Dalton
CMC Cohen Hines McFarland Peterson
Hopkins Adams Boyd Jeffery Shepard Boykins Higgins Quntez Duverney
Andrews Waller


SF2 - Yr 7 - 2019 Champ
Wentz Dak Goff Grier Brisset
Cook Mixon Hyde Mattison Edmonds Boone
M.Thomas Sutton Edelman J.Landry
Kittle Goedart Higbee


SF3 - Yr 4
Watson Burrow Goff Foles
Barkley Ja.Williams
Hopkins Evans Sutton Lamb Shepard VSM K.Harmon
Higbee Smith Howard


SF4 - Orphan Year 2
Dak Jones Taylor Brisset Eason Hurts
Taylor CEH Edmonds Dobbins
Boyd Ridley Mclaurin Lamb Reagor Harry Bryan Perriman Hurd
Andrews Goedart

2020 2 1st & 2nd

Deep Format - QQRRWWWTTFFDDKK 10 team PPR
Deep 2 Yr 5
Brady Stafford Lock Dalton Brissett
CMC Mixon Taylor Dillon DJ Hyde
Evans Hopkins Julio Edelman Gallup D.Jackson Mimz Claypool Boykin
Engram Gesicki Fant Herndon Dissly

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby AresGodOWar » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:00 pm

Gator Sens wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm
Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.
I agree its the cost of a top 5 dynasty player , Good trade
(TEAM 1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRY, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, J.Goff
RB-S.Barkley, D.Cook, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Jackson, A.Mattison, R.Jones
WR-M.Thomas, T.Hill, DJ.Moore, D.Parker, J.Jefferson, M.Hardman
TE-E.Engram, H.Hurst, R.Tonyan

(TEAM 2) 12 Team, .5 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, B.Roethlisberger
RB-A.Kamara, J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Robinson
WR-T.Hill, M.Evans, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, W.Fuller, B.Cooks, J.Reagor
TE-T.Higbee

(TEAM 3) 12 Team, .15 PPC, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-D.Watson, D.Carr
RB-J.Mixon, D.Cook, C.Carson, C.Hyde, A.Mattison
WR-J.Smith-Schuster, K.Golladay, T.Boyd, S.Shepard, B.Cooks
TE-D.Waller, E.Engram

(TEAM 4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPC, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, J.Allen
RB-J.Conner, M.Gordon, K.Drake, D.Henderson, M.Brown
WR-D.Adams, K.Golladay, D.Parker, B.Cooks, A.Lazard
TE-T.Higbee, A.Hooper


Teams 5-8 - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=36583
Teams 9-11 - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=26151

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:10 pm

Gator Sens wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm
Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.
x2
BOTH TEAMS BELOW ARE 1QB

TEAM A - 12 teams (19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Brees, Ryan, Tua
COOK/JACOBS/MIXON, Dobbins, Hunt, Swift, Singletary, Bell, B Hill, Wilkins
NUK/HILL/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN, M Brown, D Johnson, Ruggs, Hilton, Pittman, G Davis, Ford, Wims
KITTLE, Waller, Akins, H Bryant
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Not listing my IDP, but they matter as much as offense in this league. The Bosa Bros, D-Buck, and Cam Jordan are my main studs.
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TEAM B - 32 teams, double copy - TEs get 1.5x bump in scoring
LAMAR, Rivers, Cousins, Darnold, J Love
SAQUON/MIXON/GORDON, Carson, Dobbins, Ingram, D Freeman, Clement
NUK/GOLLADAY/K ALLEN/JULIO, Evans, Thielen, DJ Moore, Lamb, Alshon
KITTLE/HENRY, James O
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Danielle Hunter, Aaron Donald, and Chris Jones are the cornerstones of my IDP squad. LBs and DBs are rag tag for now.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Dibbles » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:13 pm

Hopkins all day for a bunch of unproven stuff, especially if competing now.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 pm

Yup. 3 quarters, a dime and a few nickels for a dollar. Do that allllllll day.

Great trade!
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)

QB (1): Brees, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, David Johnson, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, R. Penny, K. Vaughn
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, J. Smith-Schuster, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, P. Williams, D. Mims
TE (2): H. Henry, O.J. Howard, I. Thomas, I. Smith Jr

K (1): Wil Lutz

DB (1): Landon Collins
LB (1): B. Martinez
DL (1): D. Fowler Jr.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Slackalacker » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:00 am

Great deal for Hopkins.
5-1 TEAM 1 - 10 team 1PPR (SF in 2021) | 2017 & 2019 League Champ :dance:
1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/4FLEX - 1/2/2/2/3/4/4
QB: Wilson - Wentz - Tua - Hurts - Eason
RB: Zeke - Mixon - Sanders - Davis - Pollard - Hill - Barkley(IR) - Coleman(IR)
WR: MThom - Godwin - DJM - Hollywood - Jefferson - Higgins - Pittman - Edwards - Mims - Scott Miller - Ross - Campbell(IR)
TE: Engram - Hock - Njoku

2-4TEAM 2 - 10 Team 1ppr |2019 Orphan
1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2FLEX
QB: Wentz - Brees - Rivers
RB: CMC - Sanders - JT - Gaskin - Duke - Hill - Ito - Riddick - Bowden - Smallwood - Walton - Wilkins
WR: JuJu - Hill - PWill - Lazard - Samuel - Scotty - MVS - Van Jefferson - Enunwa - Washington - Trent Taylor -
TE: Hooper - Henry - Hurst - Gronk - Warring

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:59 am

jetsfan5757 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 pm
Yup. 3 quarters, a dime and a few nickels for a dollar. Do that allllllll day.

Great trade!
And I'll take those 3 quarters, a dime and 4 nickels from you anytime you want.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby abloom » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:04 am

At worst, this seems pretty even. At best, this seems like you came out ahead by about a 1st.
Dynasty Team #1: 5-2 (5th place)
2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill, Bridgewater
R: CMC(IR),Taylor,Robinson,Fournette,Burkhead,Peterson
W: OBJ,Evans,Edelman,Cobb,Mooney,Lazard(IR),Cole
T: Goedert(IR),Henry
D: NE,BAL
K: Zurlein

2021 Picks: 1,4,5,6,7
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Dynasty Team #2: 7-0 (1st place)
2019 3rd place
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, K Allen, Trubisky
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty, Michel(IR), Mattison
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, Edwards, Fulgham, Harry, AB, Sutton(IR)
T: Kelce
K: Slye
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7
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DLF advice forum league: 1-6 (12th place)
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Tua, Mullens, Love, Flacco, Hoyer, Rypien, Bethard
R: Michel, Moss, Hyde, Bernard, Richard, Darrel Williams, Damien Williams, C Thompson
W: Juju, Cooper, Allen, Sanders, D Moore
T: Schultz, Doyle, Asiasi, Thomas

2021 Picks: 1,1,1,2,3,4

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am

As a Hopkins owner, that wouldn't be enough for me.

Side Note: How is this the biggest trade that's ever gone down in your league? That's amazing to me, it's really not that big of a trade.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 5-1, 1st Place
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes, Cousins
RB - CMC, Drake, Carson, Mostert, Vaughn, Evans, Perine, Snell, Penny
WR - MT, Hopkins, Godwin, Woods, Miller, Campbell, Mims, Claypool
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki, Kmet
K - Gonzalez, Fairbairn
DL - Buckner, Heyward, Armstead, Lawson
LB - Leonard, Wagner, Roquan Smith, Milano, Alexander, Hewitt, Jewell
DB - John Johnson, Logan Ryan, Kyle Fuller, Desir

2021 - 1st, 1st, 2nd
2022 - None

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 5-1, 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Mayfield, Carr, Fromm, Keenum
RB - Murray, AP, Justin Jackson, McCoy, Lewis, Dallas, Snell Jr, Royce Freeman
WR - MT, Reagor, Perriman, Jackson, Beasley, Reynolds, Jeffery, G. Davis
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Graham, Fells

2021 - 1st, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:38 am

A whole lot of bench furniture for hopkins

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Blackstar110 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:42 am

FantasyFoosball wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am
As a Hopkins owner, that wouldn't be enough for me.

Side Note: How is this the biggest trade that's ever gone down in your league? That's amazing to me, it's really not that big of a trade.
We’re only in Year Three — no one’s given up someone as highly valued as Hopkins and as such no one’s been willing to give up such a large quantity of future assets. People started off by undervaluing picks, leading to some already stacked teams having high firsts, and now I think the landscape has shifted to overvaluing them and clinging to them for dear life. I’m commish, so me and my two buddies who are most fantasy-obsessed try to trailblaze a little bit when possible. This is definitely a bolder move than the league is used to seeing, where it seems like most trades are either minor moves or someone’s getting totally robbed. Plus, it’s a salary cap league so there’s a factor that Hopkins makes a lot of money, but IMO that’s only appropriate for him. I’ll gladly pay what he’s worth.

(EDIT: I guess other studs like Zeke, Julio, and Mahomes have changed hands, but only with other studs involved coming back. There’s never been a trade of a guy like this for a million cheap young assets)

Thanks for all the feedback, guys! :biggrin: I’m excited, but was a little nervous. Glad I followed my gut and went for it.
10 Team RealitySportsOnline League, Half-PPR (6-1)
1QB, 2HB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLX **Adding additional superflex in 2021. Years under contract in parentheses. Two extensions and one franchise tag available per year**

QB: Mahomes (1), Stafford (4), Herbert (4)
HB: Cook (2), Sanders (3), Hunt (1), Montgomery (3), Mostert (1), Jones II (2)
WR: Hopkins (1), Moore (2), Diontae Johnson (2), Higgins (4), John Brown (2), Miller (2), Mooney (1), Cooks (3), Edwards (4), Antonio Brown (2)
TE: Andrews (4), Jonnu Smith (3)
IR: Penny (2), Mims (4)
Future Picks: 2022 2nd
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12 Team Dynasty League, Half-PPR (5-2)
1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 1FLX, 1 SFX

QB: Murray, Tagovailoa, Dalton
HB: Taylor, Conner, Singletary, Harris
WR: AJ Brown, Godwin, Reagor, Mike Williams, Watkins, Edwards, Miller, Mooney, Davis
TE: Gesicki, Fells
IR: Prescott, Beckham Jr.
Future Picks: All

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby BradysBunch » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:56 am

If I am rebuilding, I would hesitate to take that since the firsts are late. It is a lot to give up, but I prefer Hopkins by an early first.
10 team / 28 man rosters
2015/2017/2019 Champ
SF/PPR in 2021
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex
Mahomes/Murray/Winston/Haskins/Trubisky
Barkley/CMAC/CEH/Mixon/Robinson/Harris
Hopkins/Thomas/DJM/Woods/Lamb/B. Edwards/P.Williams/Campbell/MVS/AB
Kelce/Hurst/Burton


3 - 2021 1st

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Goddard » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:49 am

Cheap for Nuk


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