What is happening with the LAR target share?

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What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby Nimrod » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:23 pm

Pretty simple.... what is going on in LA? If you own anyone other the Kupp you are disappointed. Gurley is very TD dependent right now.

Is this the new normal? Are Woods and Cooks mere WR3s and Kupp now a top 6 WR going forward?

I own Woods and would be curious to know what owners and doing.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby imi814 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:30 pm

I have Kupp in both my leagues and can't believe how good he has been. As far as woods and cooks go I think there values are low and u wouldn't get that much for them. I have been following Cooks and he has had only one good game that I can remember. All others have been under 10 points in ppr league. Maybe there is someone who trades for the name but that might be hard to find right now.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:36 pm

Kupp looks to be the main guy in LA. He was on a similar roll last year before he got hurt, he must fit the system very well. Gurley is just not the player he was and Woods and Cooks are a bit up and down. I think Woods is the next best player outside of Kupp to own on the Rams. You can't argue Cooks stats and the consistency of his numbers by seasons end, but I have never been overly high on him.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby Goddard » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:18 pm

Kupp seems to be pretty safe as a WR1. As for everyone else, I wouldn't feel comfortable starting on a weekly basis as main contributors on my team. Goff I guess hasn't been terrible in terms of fantasy, but looks bad in real life. The o-line probably plays a role, but I also think it's just exposing some of his weaknesses rather than putting all the blame on them. Woods has barely been a WR3 and his targets have been going down the last few weeks. Cooks also hasn't looked great and some of his struggles might be attributed to Goff. Gurley? No idea. Is it the o-line that people seem to blame? Is it his knee? Are they just managing his usage? Whatever it is, he's obviously not the same Gurley that most owners probably expected to have.

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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:26 pm

Gator Sens wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:36 pm
Kupp looks to be the main guy in LA. He was on a similar roll last year before he got hurt, he must fit the system very well. Gurley is just not the player he was and Woods and Cooks are a bit up and down. I think Woods is the next best player outside of Kupp to own on the Rams. You can't argue Cooks stats and the consistency of his numbers by seasons end, but I have never been overly high on him.
He was more consistent last season and with the Saints...I think the boom/bust rep stuck with him after his stint with the Pats. That said, Cooks' usage is lower than last season for whatever reason (he did well enough when Kupp was healthy and putting up mid-high WR1 numbers last season so I'm not sure it's fair to pin it on Kupp's emergence) and the concussions are piling up.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:30 pm
I have Kupp in both my leagues and can't believe how good he has been. As far as woods and cooks go I think there values are low and u wouldn't get that much for them. I have been following Cooks and he has had only one good game that I can remember. All others have been under 10 points in ppr league. Maybe there is someone who trades for the name but that might be hard to find right now.
He hasn't been great this year, but he hasn't been quite that bad. Weeks 2-4: 16.6, 20, 13.1. Also has 2 weeks where he left due to concussion, which does explain some of his recent lack of production, so essentially he's finished 6 games, 3 of which he scored 13+. The concussions are far more concerning to me than his usage.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby Dibbles » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:41 pm

Woods has only had double digit targets twice (out of 8 games) this season, and both came in the first 4 games, been fading fast since. I would expect his target share to increase with Cooks sidelined again, but I just don't think you can trust him at this point. I tried moving him a few weeks ago (when he was 5th overall in targets after week 4) and I had basically no interest, I don't think people value him for much at all even though his floor is decent. Probably age and the fact that there are so many mouths to feed there. I think you have to hold for depth if contending and can't expect much in return if tanking and looking to dump him, maybe a late 2nd at best.

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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:32 pm

Woods was a tough sell even when he was putting up WR1 numbers last year.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby TimeWillTell » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:57 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:32 pm
Woods was a tough sell even when he was putting up WR1 numbers last year.
No kidding. I finally got him sold for a 2020 1st+2022 2'd before the season. Best I'd had before that was a 2020 2nd. Somehow that pick is now looking top 5, so I'm happy, but I'm shocked as I had it pegged as 1.10ish.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:41 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:57 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:32 pm
Woods was a tough sell even when he was putting up WR1 numbers last year.
No kidding. I finally got him sold for a 2020 1st+2022 2'd before the season. Best I'd had before that was a 2020 2nd. Somehow that pick is now looking top 5, so I'm happy, but I'm shocked as I had it pegged as 1.10ish.
I sold him early last season for Jordan Howard thinking it was a buy low/sell high kind of deal. Not one of my better moments.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby FantasyFoosball » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:26 am

Woods owner here. I've been trying to sell him all season with no takers. No one is interested in him at all. I bought him in the off season for Hunter Henry and a 1st... part of that was due to his incredibly cheap contract though, as it's a salary cap league, and the fact that I have Kittle at TE. Now it's nothing but crickets when I offer him up as trade bait. I think you have to hold at this point and hope it turns around.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby doublesticks » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:34 am

I've been wondering if Kupp is a sell high for middling and bottom tier teams...for all of the reasons mentioned above.

I love Kupp and have been on the train since before he was drafted, but I don't see him as a top 5 WR and at some point, I feel like the other WRs are going to get their share and that will cut into him going off each week.

I mean, he is on pace for 116/1,582/10...

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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby Nimrod » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:05 pm

doublesticks wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:34 am
I've been wondering if Kupp is a sell high for middling and bottom tier teams...for all of the reasons mentioned above.

I love Kupp and have been on the train since before he was drafted, but I don't see him as a top 5 WR and at some point, I feel like the other WRs are going to get their share and that will cut into him going off each week.

I mean, he is on pace for 116/1,582/10...
The big question is if Kupp will remain as the top target for Goff here forward. If so, can the offense support another top 15 WR?

Last year the targets were pretty even when the 3 we’re in the lineup. This year Kupp has our targeted Cooks and Woods by over 20 targets. That seems significant. Also the TEs have 2xs as many targets now as they did at this point in the season last year. They are more involved.

Are we buying that Woods and Cooks have become borderline WR2s at best in dynasty from here on out?
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:09 pm

Nimrod wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:05 pm
Are we buying that Woods and Cooks have become borderline WR2s at best in dynasty from here on out?
Both WRs seem like boom or bust WR3s given the current state of the Rams' offense. Things could turn around, but I don't see it happening this year.

The offensive line isn't allowing Goff time to take deeper shots to Cooks or Woods, leaving him to target Kupp a ton underneath and on intermediate routes. Everett's target share has also increased, further detracting from Cooks's and Woods's targets. And finally, the targets aren't worth as much in fantasy now that the offense isn't as efficient in scoring.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby jenkins.math » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:54 pm

The league figured out some things with this offense and have been able to take things away. The line has struggled some this year which limits the deep routes. Most of this has already been mentioned here so I don't want to dwell on it.

If I owned Kupp and wasn't contending I would certainly be looking to offload him now. I like him as a player and Goff seems to love him, but I just can't see him ever being more statistcally impressive than he is now. Also keep in mind that he is going to be 27 in June. Most seem to think he is younger than he is because this is his 3rd season, so you might be able to extract a little more from someone thinking they are trading for a 24 year old.

Woods is what most guys in the league are: a good player that needs a great system to truly thrive. He isn't a special talent or anything and once the system gets exposed by the league those type of players go back to being quality depth/WR3/Flex plays.

The concussions with Cooks have me worried. This is the 2nd one this year and he has suffered 4 confirmed concussions in in the last 2 calendar years. If he keeps racking them up he will be retiring early. I'm looking to cash out on Cooks sooner rather than later.
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Re: What is happening with the LAR target share?

Postby hoos89 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:01 pm

jenkins.math wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:54 pm

If I owned Kupp and wasn't contending I would certainly be looking to offload him now. I like him as a player and Goff seems to love him, but I just can't see him ever being more statistcally impressive than he is now. Also keep in mind that he is going to be 27 in June. Most seem to think he is younger than he is because this is his 3rd season, so you might be able to extract a little more from someone thinking they are trading for a 24 year old.
He did this last year when healthy too, but I somewhat agree that now should be a good selling window for rebuild teams. That said...I'm not sure you're going to be able to get the kind of return you want for him in a lot of leagues. It's weird considering he was a low WR2 as a rookie, posted 20 PPG in the 6 games he finished last season (16.9 ppg including the 2 he didn't), and almost 21 ppg halfway through this season but people just won't pay top 10 WR prices for him (as in they get offended by the ask).
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