Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

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This trade WAS vetoed. Should it have been? (See below for details)

Yes, the league was right to veto this trade
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No, the league was wrong to veto this trade
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby sloth8u » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:19 am

badbuddah wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:47 pm ... if I was in a league where the top guy suddenly fleeced a dude and became unbeatable I'd probably just leave the league. We are having an issue where me and a couple other guys are stacked because of bad trade partners and I worry others may leave fearing they can't compete with us.
Might aswell leave. Sure is fun playing with owners who make ridiculous trades. Its the fault of the guy being fleeced, not the guy profiting. Is the league going to kick out the owner/s making bad trades? If he/they stay...it just keeps happening.

Ive left 2 leagues because of it and will likely leave another after this year for the same reason. I dont usually worry about 1 or 2 bad deals but when the same owners keep making them (at loss or profit)...it gets old real quick and not a league i want to play in.

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby Straycatz2 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:48 am

sloth8u wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:04 am Id suppose if your league has veto....this is one that could/should get vetoed.

Lenny top 30 type asset. Jjaw and isabella are viewed around 100 by most. Would anyone actually buy ross, and then the picks....team A through crap at the wall and it stuck.

I dont have veto in any of my leagues, but if there was...id imagine this to be the type of deal to get vetoed.
Just because you don't like the deal doesn't mean someone else can't.
If you look there is a lot of TY Johnson is going for hock, low and mid 2020 1st and some even more. I think that's crazy but it should not be vetoed.

Trades should never be vetoed unless collusion.

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby sloth8u » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:21 am

Straycatz2 wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:48 am
sloth8u wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:04 am Id suppose if your league has veto....this is one that could/should get vetoed.

Lenny top 30 type asset. Jjaw and isabella are viewed around 100 by most. Would anyone actually buy ross, and then the picks....team A through crap at the wall and it stuck.

I dont have veto in any of my leagues, but if there was...id imagine this to be the type of deal to get vetoed.
I know trades should not be vetoed. I play in several leagues. 1 orphan i picked up years ago has veto but ive never seen a vote to veto. All others... No veto. I agree with "no veto".

However, if the league does veto trades....this would be the types of trades that warrant it. This is why it's there is all im getting at. Maybe they never veto.? I dont know...maybe it gets personal between owners?

I would like to know how the veto is determined? The league im in has 48 hrs for 4 of 12 to cast the vote.

Just because you don't like the deal doesn't mean someone else can't.
If you look there is a lot of TY Johnson is going for hock, low and mid 2020 1st and some even more. I think that's crazy but it should not be vetoed.

Trades should never be vetoed unless collusion.

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby abloom » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:23 am

anichol8 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:53 pm No collusion was involved.
No veto then. Problem solved.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

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14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby Rustycage » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:26 am

I think you got a great deal, but I don't like the idea of limiting Team B from selling an asset. Honestly, if they are vetoing that, I'd expect several of the other teams that voted veto to make significant offers for LF. How dare they stop team B from selling LF high, he's injury prone and has a history of "issues".
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RB - Henry, Kamara, CMC, R. Jones, D. Felton, P. Lindsay
WR - Ridley, Pittman, Cooks, M. Williams, MT, AJG, R. Higgins, Perriman, Shi Smith, MVS
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby jonesmaster » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:12 am

Our league does vetoes in 2 circumstances: (1) collusion and (2) near total outrage by rest of league. This has worked well so far. Given this trade meets neither, i think it should stand
8-team SF / 0.5 PPR / TE (Full PPR) Scoring: 1QB, 3WR, 2RB, 2FLX, 1 SFLX, 1TE, 1D/ST, K (Only relevant players listed)

QB: Kyler , Dak , R. Wilson, Dimes, Kenny P
RB: AK , Mostert
WR: Godwin , Deebo , Dotson , Hollywood, Addison, E. Moore
TE: Andrews , Njoku, LaPorta, Washington, Mayer
D/ST: Bills / Philly

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby murphysxm » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:41 am

sloth8u wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:04 am Id suppose if your league has veto....this is one that could/should get vetoed.

Lenny top 30 type asset. Jjaw and isabella are viewed around 100 by most. Would anyone actually buy ross, and then the picks....team A through crap at the wall and it stuck.

I dont have veto in any of my leagues, but if there was...id imagine this to be the type of deal to get vetoed.
No offense, but this is crap. How you view players is not fact. Hell the Pats just vastly overpaid for Sanu in my opinion, I better call Bill and tell him the trade has been vetoed.
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:22 am

sloth8u wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:04 am Id suppose if your league has veto....this is one that could/should get vetoed.

Lenny top 30 type asset. Jjaw and isabella are viewed around 100 by most. Would anyone actually buy ross, and then the picks....team A through crap at the wall and it stuck.

I dont have veto in any of my leagues, but if there was...id imagine this to be the type of deal to get vetoed.
Why? Isabella and JJAW were both late 1st values in rookie drafts, and two late 1sts is more than fair for Fournette even if the rookie WRs haven't started producing yet. It's very possible that this time next year, one or both could be worth more than Fournette if he gets another soft tissue injury, and they're stepping up in good offenses in ARI and PHI.

It's not up to other owners to decide what's good for a team as long as they're trying to improve it.
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby sloth8u » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:51 am

Not to troll here, but i wonder some trades that have been vetoed in the league. Thats clearly the answer to whether this one should be.

Like the rest of you, im in the no veto ever crowd but the op plays in a veto league.

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby abloom » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:14 am

If the trade is vetoed, will the league then force the trade if Fournette's value takes a nose dive after an ankle injury and the WRs start producing next year?
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby saw061600 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:19 am

No VETO!!!! Maybe the person trading LF doesn't believe he can stay healthy? Doesn't feel they can compete and looking for future value? Doesn't like people with the name Leonard? Doesn't matter: no collusion (and will add no intent to blow up league) no veto.
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JT Barkley Etienne Ingram Charb CEH
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NBosa Quinnen DJJones Clark F-Myers Taylor Graham
Darius Okereke Kendricks DCampbell DJones Baker Kiser Brooks
Adams Simmons Vaccaro Joseph

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Herbert Stroud Mayfield
JT Achane Kamara Ford Pacheco Jaleel
AJB DK Godwin Aiyuk Kirk ZJones RMoore Thornton
Hock F-muth
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Bernard Kendricks Warner Baker Williams Tranquil
Budda McKinney Clark Wilson

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:34 am

Rustycage wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:26 am I think you got a great deal, but I don't like the idea of limiting Team B from selling an asset. Honestly, if they are vetoing that, I'd expect several of the other teams that voted veto to make significant offers for LF. How dare they stop team B from selling LF high, he's injury prone and has a history of "issues".
That's one of the skeeziest things about veto in my opinion: vetoing a trade and then offering a "better deal" for the player yourself.
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Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
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Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:43 am

Lol, trash league

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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby Paul717 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:49 am

Not even a lopsided trade in my humble opinion. Those are some nice rebuilding pieces coming back.
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QB: Jordan Love, Deshaun Watson
RB: Travis Etienne, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kendre Miller, Jaleel McLaughlin, Sean Tucker, Deuce Vaughn
WR: A.J. Brown, Garrett Wilson, Tee Higgins, Calvin Ridley, Michael Wilson, Kendrick Bourne, Tutu Atwell, Allen Lazard, Isaiah Hodgins, Justin Shorter
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Re: Trade vetoed by league. I need the forum to settle it.

Postby BigBawseRoss » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:57 am

jonesmaster wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:12 am Our league does vetoes in 2 circumstances: (1) collusion and (2) near total outrage by rest of league. This has worked well so far. Given this trade meets neither, i think it should stand
a top team gaining a top player and paying scraps wouldnt fall under the second circumstance for you? id imagine the league was not pleased in the least
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1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

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1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

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qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

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