Worth it for title shot?

[PPE82]

Team in sig. I am alone in first at 6-2 and leading league in points scored. But WR is clearly a weakness.

I have just received the following counter offer (I originally proposed 2 3rds instead of the ‘20 1st)

Send: Jacobs, Ridley, Fant, Deebo, ‘20 1st, ‘21 1st

Receive: Kamara, Hopkins

I assumed this would be his counter, but what say all of you?

Alternatively, I have another much small offer available as well.

Send: Deebo, 20 3rd

Receive: AJ Green

Thoughts on that alone or in comparison to the larger offer above?

Thanks!

[AussieMate]

I'd take that, If you break it down to 2 seperate trades it looks good imo.

[PPE82]

I'd take that, If you break it down to 2 seperate trades it looks good imo.

You would take the bigger trade o er the AJ Green trade?

[sloth8u]

The big 1

[Gator Sens]

I'm taking Kamara and Hopkins here.

[FantasyFoosball]

This is easily Hopkins and Kamara, especially if you are competing.

[abloom]

This is easily Kamara and Nuk.

I value both at roughly 3 1st equivalents, meaning 6

Jacobs is a 1st, the two firsts are obviously a first, Ridley may be a 1st on a good day. Fant and Deebo are 2nds for me.

That means you are getting 6 firsts of value for 4 firsts (one delayed a year) and 2 2nds.

add to that the value of the consolidation from 5 players to 2 and its a very easy accept.

[kmbryant09]

This is easily Kamara and Nuk.

I value both at roughly 3 1st equivalents, meaning 6

Jacobs is a 1st, the two firsts are obviously a first, Ridley may be a 1st on a good day. Fant and Deebo are 2nds for me.

That means you are getting 6 firsts of value for 4 firsts (one delayed a year) and 2 2nds.

add to that the value of the consolidation from 5 players to 2 and its a very easy accept.

Uhhh.....what....?

Jacobs was the near-consensus 1.01 pick, and has been exceeding expectations, already delivering top12 numbers - he's easily worth 2 1sts.

I think Ridley is easily worth a 1st too, especially now that Sanu isn't around.

Personally, I wouldn't make that trade - you have a very good team but I don't think you're guaranteed a championship with Hopkins & Kamara. Kamara is banged up and Hopkins has been utilized more of a possession WR with the arrival / emergence of Fuller / Stills. It wouldn't shock me if Jacobs / Ridley hang with Kamara / Hopkins through the remainder of the year, and I wouldn't be adding 2 1sts, a young TE, and a borderline 2019 1st round pick (Deebo) for the upgrade.

[abloom]

This is easily Kamara and Nuk.

I value both at roughly 3 1st equivalents, meaning 6

Jacobs is a 1st, the two firsts are obviously a first, Ridley may be a 1st on a good day. Fant and Deebo are 2nds for me.

That means you are getting 6 firsts of value for 4 firsts (one delayed a year) and 2 2nds.

add to that the value of the consolidation from 5 players to 2 and its a very easy accept.

Uhhh.....what....?

Jacobs was the near-consensus 1.01 pick, and has been exceeding expectations, already delivering top12 numbers - he's easily worth 2 1sts.

I think Ridley is easily worth a 1st too, especially now that Sanu isn't around.

Personally, I wouldn't make that trade - you have a very good team but I don't think you're guaranteed a championship with Hopkins & Kamara. Kamara is banged up and Hopkins has been utilized more of a possession WR with the arrival / emergence of Fuller / Stills. It wouldn't shock me if Jacobs / Ridley hang with Kamara / Hopkins through the remainder of the year, and I wouldn't be adding 2 1sts, a young TE, and a borderline 2019 1st round pick (Deebo) for the upgrade.

Jacobs wouldn't be the 1.01 in the 2020 draft. Ridley, fine, but its a judgement call.

[FantasyFoosball]

This is easily Kamara and Nuk.

I value both at roughly 3 1st equivalents, meaning 6

Jacobs is a 1st, the two firsts are obviously a first, Ridley may be a 1st on a good day. Fant and Deebo are 2nds for me.

That means you are getting 6 firsts of value for 4 firsts (one delayed a year) and 2 2nds.

add to that the value of the consolidation from 5 players to 2 and its a very easy accept.

Uhhh.....what....?

Jacobs was the near-consensus 1.01 pick, and has been exceeding expectations, already delivering top12 numbers - he's easily worth 2 1sts.

I think Ridley is easily worth a 1st too, especially now that Sanu isn't around.

Personally, I wouldn't make that trade - you have a very good team but I don't think you're guaranteed a championship with Hopkins & Kamara. Kamara is banged up and Hopkins has been utilized more of a possession WR with the arrival / emergence of Fuller / Stills. It wouldn't shock me if Jacobs / Ridley hang with Kamara / Hopkins through the remainder of the year, and I wouldn't be adding 2 1sts, a young TE, and a borderline 2019 1st round pick (Deebo) for the upgrade.

LOL.

[murphysxm]

It wouldn't shock me if Jacobs / Ridley hang with Kamara / Hopkins through the remainder of the year

Not to pile on, but this statement is a tad ludicrous to me

[abloom]

This is easily Kamara and Nuk.

I value both at roughly 3 1st equivalents, meaning 6

Jacobs is a 1st, the two firsts are obviously a first, Ridley may be a 1st on a good day. Fant and Deebo are 2nds for me.

That means you are getting 6 firsts of value for 4 firsts (one delayed a year) and 2 2nds.

add to that the value of the consolidation from 5 players to 2 and its a very easy accept.

Uhhh.....what....?

Jacobs was the near-consensus 1.01 pick, and has been exceeding expectations, already delivering top12 numbers - he's easily worth 2 1sts.

I think Ridley is easily worth a 1st too, especially now that Sanu isn't around.

Personally, I wouldn't make that trade - you have a very good team but I don't think you're guaranteed a championship with Hopkins & Kamara. Kamara is banged up and Hopkins has been utilized more of a possession WR with the arrival / emergence of Fuller / Stills. It wouldn't shock me if Jacobs / Ridley hang with Kamara / Hopkins through the remainder of the year, and I wouldn't be adding 2 1sts, a young TE, and a borderline 2019 1st round pick (Deebo) for the upgrade.

Also in a PPR league, Hopkins has scored 20% more than Ridley so far, Kamara has scored 12% more than Jacobs, wouldn't really consider that "similar"

[PPE82]

Thanks for the responses. Decided to make the trade!

[Goddard]

Thanks for the responses. Decided to make the trade!

Smart move

[kmbryant09]

I knew I should've elaborated more on that comment about R.O.S. production between Jacobs/Ridley & Kamara/Hopkins. I used the phrase "hang with" - that doesn't mean outscore or even match. I just meant that it wouldn't shock me if there's not a significant difference in production, rest of season, between Jacobs & Kamara and between Ridley & Hopkins.

Through nearly 1/2 the season (.5 PPR league):
-Hopkins: 93 points
-Ridley: 76 points

-Kamara: 94 points
-Jacobs: 93 points

Let's now consider that Ridley should step into an every-down role (he wasn't previously) and see an increase in targets with Sanu being traded away. Let's also consider that Kamara is dealing with an ankle & knee injury (high-ankle sprain?).

Let's throw out those other considerations, and assume that Hopkins / Kamara return to stud status - you're likely looking at a 4 - 8 point weekly increase. Is that worth giving up 2 1st round picks, Deebo Samuel (who was a late 1st rounder), and Noah Fant (an early 2nd rounder), while also getting nearly 6 full years OLDER (Jacobs & Ridley are each 2.5 - 3 years younger than Kamara / Hopkins).

My overall point is that I don't think you're going from zero to hero - from pretender to contender - from nothing to everything. You're paying a very significant price to *most likely* jump from RB 1/2 production into RB1 production, and WR2 production into WR1 production.