Christian Kirk's Value

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Christian Kirk's Value

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am

Christian Kirk was a popular player this off-season that many predicted would break-out in year 2.

His early-season usage was very encouraging, seeing 31 targets in the first 3 games, but the production didn't quite match expectations. With Kyler Murray and the offense looking much more potent, is there hope that Kirk's breakout is coming once he returns from injury?

So what's his value at right now? Would you be buying for a future late-1st?
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am

I would not move him for less then a mid 1st. He is a strong hold for me. I would buy for a late future 1st.
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby Goddard » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:45 am

I might buy for a late 1st, but agree that owners probably won't sell for that.

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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby Slackalacker » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:39 am

I think a mid 1st is the even ground. He has high targets and has been hurt. With how much they throw the ball he could be a PPR force when healthy
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:49 am

kmbryant09 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:36 am
So what's his value at right now? Would you be buying for a future late-1st?
Yes, I'd pay a late 1st for Kirk, though I'm not sure you'll get him for that. I'd consider paying a late 1st + 2nd even while his value is down due to this high ankle sprain. Once Fitzgerald retires in the next year or two, Kirk could be a solid PPR WR2 if this ARI offense continues improving.
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:56 am

A mid first is probably his value, but I wouldn't sell for that in a full PPR league. I think he's going to be pretty good once their offense works out all the kinks and gains some chemistry. He's still a hold for now.

If you can get him for a mid-late first, hop all over it. I would even add a 2nd or something to get it done if I could spare the value.
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:28 pm

Thanks for the early replies. I've had initial conversations with the Kirk owner, and we've both casually talked about my 1st & 2nd for Kirk + Wentz (I need QB help with Baker struggling). I'm back-to-back champ and currently in 1st place, so picks should be late - you guys think it's worth it?

I'm also thinking of offering a bigger trade with this owner including my Kelce and his Engram. Figured it might be a sneaky time to buy Engram coming off injury - but not sure what the right value is.
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WR: O. Beckham Jr., K. Allen, C. Godwin, A. Robinson, C. Kirk, D. Johnson, A. Wilson, R. Higgins, D. Robinson
TE: E. Engram, D. Waller, I. Smith Jr.

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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby StripesOfKC » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:43 pm

Been trying to buy since he got hurt. Offered Miles Sanders for him straight up and was rejected. Mid 1st is about his price based on that

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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:48 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:28 pm
Thanks for the early replies. I've had initial conversations with the Kirk owner, and we've both casually talked about my 1st & 2nd for Kirk + Wentz (I need QB help with Baker struggling). I'm back-to-back champ and currently in 1st place, so picks should be late - you guys think it's worth it?

I'm also thinking of offering a bigger trade with this owner including my Kelce and his Engram. Figured it might be a sneaky time to buy Engram coming off injury - but not sure what the right value is.
Late 1st + late 2nd for Kirk AND Wentz? Yes, easily...even moreso given your QB need. Wentz is probably worth about an early 2nd and Kirk is worth a mid-first. So yes, I would pay a late first and a late 2nd for a mid-first and an early 2nd.

StripesOfKC wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:43 pm
Been trying to buy since he got hurt. Offered Miles Sanders for him straight up and was rejected. Mid 1st is about his price based on that
I think a lot of people would prefer a mid-2020 1st to Sanders at this point, though.
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby badbuddah » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:57 pm

Would you guys trade Lamar Jackson and Kirk for Russell Wilson in 1QB?
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:07 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:28 pm
Thanks for the early replies. I've had initial conversations with the Kirk owner, and we've both casually talked about my 1st & 2nd for Kirk + Wentz (I need QB help with Baker struggling).
I'd make that happen ASAP if it's on the table.

Kirk >= late 1st
Wentz >> late 2nd
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:59 pm

badbuddah wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:57 pm
Would you guys trade Lamar Jackson and Kirk for Russell Wilson in 1QB?
Absolutely, one million percent not.
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby ghetto pimp » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:11 pm

Id move kirk for a high first

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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby badbuddah » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:02 am

hoos89 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:59 pm
badbuddah wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:57 pm
Would you guys trade Lamar Jackson and Kirk for Russell Wilson in 1QB?
Absolutely, one million percent not.
Just making sure. His owner is insane. He recently traded Watson and JJAW for Goff and Howard, dude was offered Boyd and Goff AND TURNED THAT DOWN for Howard instead lmao. So he clearly is insane. Hard to know how to trade with those kind of people.
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WR: D. Hopkins, J. Jones, D. Adams, J. Shuster, K. Golloday, A. Jeffery, C. Kirk, D. Samuel
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Re: Christian Kirk's Value

Postby diamonddave » Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:12 pm

i would trade 1 and 2 for kirk and wentz.
i wouldn NOT trade LJ and Kirk for Russ.
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