Cooper trade need input

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Cooper trade need input

Postby ltgarygreen » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:55 am

12 team non-PPR SF league start 2rb 3wr 2flex 1te

Recently had a tradeoffer where I would get Julio + 2nd for my Montgomery + Moore + McLaurin, which I decided to decline because of all the youth I’d be giving (thanks for input).

Now have an offer out to the Cooper owner where I figured the age difference from Julio would hedge me a bit for giving up so much youth. But he’s tough.

Give: Conner + Moore + Fant
Get: Cooper (could probably switch to Allen)

I already know it’s a lot to give up but is it waay way to much even for a potential midwr1 for years with all my depth at rb?

Have a good starting lineup but there are a couple of super strong teams putting up a lot of points each week and both my obj, juju, Conner, Moore among others have started really slow... Figured this would land me a bonafide star to pair with Zeke.

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RB: Zeke, Conner, Montgomery, Sanders, McCoy, Guice, Gore
WR: OBJ, Juju, Moore, McLaurin
TE: Kittle

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby crip7300 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:20 am

I assume Moore is DJ Moore, if that is the case, I think this is way too much to give up for Cooper, who has been as inconsistent as your current top WRs over his career if not more so. Also I really don't view your RB depth to be all that strong, especially for the long haul, considering you can play up to 4 RBs and Guice is an injury prone unknown, Montgomery and Sanders have flashed but are still unproven rookies and McCoy and Gore are a combined 187 years old.
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12 team Non PPR
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Goff Geno Pickett
RB Bijan CMC Chubb JWill Kendre
WR Pittman Diontae Mooney Juju Hyatt Nico
TE Waller Schultz

Team 2
12 team SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3Flex
QB Herbert Hurts Darnold Mac Love
RB Saquon Chubb Mixon Dillon
WR Kupp Amari Ridley Juju Cooks Diontae
TE Kittle Hock

Team 3
12 Team Non PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex 1SF
QB Herbert Love Ridder Lance
RB CBrown Chandler
WR Olave CWatson EMoore Nico
TE Pitts

Team 4
12 Team PPR
QB 2RB 2WR TE 3Flex
QB Herbert
RB JT CMC Breece Mixon Henry
WR AJB Metcalf Kupp Diontae Juju EMoore
TE Kittle Pat

Team 5
Bestball 12 Team
SF PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
1QB 2RB 2WR TE 4Flex 1SF
QB Allen Pickett Carr Baker
RB CMC Saquon Swift

WR AJB Deebo Ridley Sutton
TE Kittle Fant


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Bestball 12 Team
PPR RB 0.5, WR 1, TE 1.5
QB RB WR TE 7Flex 1SF
QB Watson Herbert TLaw
RB Saquan JT Mixon ETN
WR Chase DK DJM Juju
TE Pitts Kittle

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby thomasscheeks » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:22 am

Is that DJ Moore? If so, this is an insanely terrible offer.

In non-PPR, I wouldn't give Conner alone for Cooper. I suggest walking away from this completely
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RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
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QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

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RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby Gator Sens » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:55 am

Way too much. Hold what you have here.

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby Goddard » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:16 am

Conner alone should be close to Cooper (gap might be a 2nd or something along those lines). No way I'm adding Moore and Fant.

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby Pats/VikesFan » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:58 am

Way too much for Cooper. Walk away.
10 team PPR league, 24 man rosters, 5 man taxi, 5 man IR
QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Anthony Richardson, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Howell, Trey Lance, Hendon Hooker (IR)
RB: Saquon Barkley, Rhamondre Stevenson, Khalil Herbert, Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards, Jerome Ford, Kendre Miller (TX), Roschon Johnson (TX), Pierre Strong (TX), Tyson Chandler (TX)
WR: Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, DJ Moore, Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Terry McLaurin, Kadarius Toney, Jayden Reed, John Metchie, Justyn Ross,
TE: George Kittle, T.J. Hockenson, Chigoziem Okonkwo, Sam LaPorta (TX), Isaiah Likely, Luke Schoonmaker (IR)

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:07 am

I'd actually consider that package for Keenan, but not for Cooper.
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Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

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2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:02 am

Goddard wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:16 am Conner alone should be close to Cooper (gap might be a 2nd or something along those lines). No way I'm adding Moore and Fant.
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:00 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:02 am
Goddard wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:16 am Conner alone should be close to Cooper (gap might be a 2nd or something along those lines). No way I'm adding Moore and Fant.
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Conner should be way below Cooper at this point, in my opinion.
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Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:22 pm

hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:00 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:02 am
Goddard wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:16 am Conner alone should be close to Cooper (gap might be a 2nd or something along those lines). No way I'm adding Moore and Fant.
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Conner should be way below Cooper at this point, in my opinion.
Why? I'd say they're close in non-PPR, even with Roethlisberger out for the year. Cooper is WR7 through 4 weeks due to 4 TDs in 3 weeks after beating up on NYG, WAS, and MIA to start the season. Cooper is still a boom or bust WR2, same as last year, and his schedule gets much tougher in the second half of the season.
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:42 pm

Because Conner has looked mediocre and is in a far less stable situation, and Cooper has been a WR1 since going to Dallas.
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2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby Goddard » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:21 pm

hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:42 pm Because Conner has looked mediocre and is in a far less stable situation, and Cooper has been a WR1 since going to Dallas.
And Conner was a top 5 RB last year and should continue being a RB1 this year. I'm guessing when you say Conner looked mediocre, you're referring to the first 3 weeks of the season when the entire offense as a whole looked mediocre? Cooper's looked mediocre for 2 out of 4 weeks this season as well. Both are good, but not elite. I don't think there should be much of a gap between the two either way. Like I said earlier, maybe a 2nd at most. Definitely not Moore. If you think Cooper is worth more than Conner and Moore, you must be valuing him with guys like Hopkins, OBJ, and MT.

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:30 pm

I actually don't know that Conner + Moore is enough to get Nuk, OBJ or MT. I do think it's a lot for Cooper though, but I also think the gap from Cooper to Conner is way greater than a 2nd (as was suggested above).

Cooper's situation has to be viewed as far more stable: he's a WR and the Cowboys traded a first for him. Conner kind of backed into the role thanks to the Bell holdout and I think is at risk of being drafted over and/or falling into RBBC with Samuels. And please don't tell me about how good anyone on the Steelers looked against the Bengals last week.
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JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby Goddard » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:47 pm

hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:30 pm I actually don't know that Conner + Moore is enough to get Nuk, OBJ or MT. I do think it's a lot for Cooper though, but I also think the gap from Cooper to Conner is way greater than a 2nd (as was suggested above).

Cooper's situation has to be viewed as far more stable: he's a WR and the Cowboys traded a first for him. Conner kind of backed into the role thanks to the Bell holdout and I think is at risk of being drafted over and/or falling into RBBC with Samuels. And please don't tell me about how good anyone on the Steelers looked against the Bengals last week.
But Cooper looking good against the Giants, Redskins, and Dolphins is better lol? Cmon now. Then struggled when he finally faced a real team.

You said you wouldn't take that package for Cooper, suggesting he's worth more than Conner, Moore, and Fant. I don't know how much more you think he's worth, but much more than that, you're going into the Nuk, OBJ, MT tier.

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Re: Cooper trade need input

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:50 pm

1 game versus 3.

And I believe you're misunderstanding my point: I value Keenan more than Cooper. So saying that "I'd consider the package for Keenan" meant "I would consider sending that package for Keenan". In other words: I value the package higher than Cooper.
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Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
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IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
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2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
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