Is this trade worth vetoing?

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Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby dynofun » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:41 pm

OK this trade just went down in my 12 team Dynasty League. I personally think it's pretty horrible but we'll see what everyone here thinks:

Team A got TJ Hockenson

Team B got Devin Singletary and Marquise "Hollywood" Brown

Is this bad enough to warrant being overturned?

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby TimeWillTell » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:48 pm

a) never veto
b) this is not that bad. Looks like some people thinking they're capitalizing on week 1 hype
2020 Champion!
12 Team 1QB 0.5 PPR 30 man roster
Start: 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1Flex,1K,1Def
QB: Mahomes, Stafford, Jones
RB: Barkley, JRob, CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Penny
WR: AJB, Jefferson, Evans, DJM, Chark, Lamb, Tee Higgins, Mims, Shenault, Jeudy, Ruggs, P. Williams, Edwards, Callaway
TE: Andrews, Jonnu, Hock, Hurst
K: Some guy
Def: Who knows
No 2021 picks, 2022 2nd (not mine), all 2023 picks

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby dblj1199 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:53 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:48 pm
a) never veto
b) this is not that bad. Looks like some people thinking they're capitalizing on week 1 hype
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2015, 2017 Champ.
ppr, 10 team, 6 pt all td, 30 man roster QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, Flex (r/w/t), K, 3 IDP
Qb- Mahomes, Baker, Darnold
RB- Zeke, Mostert, Hunt, J Robinson, K Johnson, Snell Jr, Pollard, Ingram
WR- OBJ (i.r.), A Cooper, DJ Moore, TY Hilton, D Parker, J Jefferson, AJ Greene, AB, Q Cephus, KeKe Coutee
TE- Waller, H Henry, Gronk, OJ Howard (i.r.), Albert O (i.r.)
IDP(3)- VanderEsch, B Martinez, P Queen, A Johnson, K Neal
K- J Sanders

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby Gator Sens » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:54 pm

Again, no reason to ever veto outside of a serious issue and nothing wrong with this deal. Brown and Hockenson are both considered great prospects and they both showed why in week 1.

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby FantasyFoosball » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:56 pm

Lol. Come on man...
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes, Cousins
RB - CMC, Carson, Drake, Mostert, Vaughn, Evans, Perine, Penny
WR - MT, Hopkins, Godwin, Woods, Miller, Campbell, Mims, Claypool
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki, Kmet
K - Gonzalez, Fairbairn, Boswell
DL - Buckner, Heyward, Hendrickson, Clark
LB - Leonard, Wagner, Roquan Smith, Singleton, Hewitt, Greenlaw
DB - John Johnson, Logan Ryan, Jordan Fuller, Wilson

2021 - 1.06, 1.09, 2.04, 4.05
2022 - None

Team Two:
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14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Mayfield, Carr, Fromm, Keenum
RB - Murray, AP, Jackson, Booker, Dallas, Snell, Royce Freeman, Armstead
WR - MT, Reagor, Beasley, Perriman, Reynolds, Jackson, Jeffery, G. Davis
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Graham, Fells

2021 - 1.05, 3.05, 4.05

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby Dibbles » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:21 pm

Piling on

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby Peepyopee » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:25 pm

Obviously never veto.. and the trade isn't bad at all either.
League Started in 2018
12 Team, .5 PPR, 25 roster: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE(1.5 PPR), 1 FLEX (WR/RB)
QB: Deshaun Watson, Matt Stafford, Teddy Bridgewater
RB:Kareem Hunt, Cam Akers, Jamaal Williams, Joshua Kelley, DeeJay Dallas, Duke Johnson, Gio Bernard, Ryquell Armstead, Trayveon Williams, Brian Hill
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Courtland Sutton, Robert Woods, Michael Gallup, Parris Campbell , Steve Sims Jr., Hakeem Butler, Auden Tate
TE: Jonnu Smith, Chris Herndon, Jack Doyle, Dawson Knox, Harrison Bryant, Kahale Warring, Jacob Hollister

Picks:
2021: 2.05, 2.07, 3.06, 4.01, 4.02
2022: 1st, 3rd, 4th
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:47 pm

Wtf?! How can you rationalize this remotely veto worthy?

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby TimeWillTell » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:52 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Wtf?! How can you rationalize this remotely veto worthy?
Yeah I'd like to hear the argument as well, please
2020 Champion!
12 Team 1QB 0.5 PPR 30 man roster
Start: 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1Flex,1K,1Def
QB: Mahomes, Stafford, Jones
RB: Barkley, JRob, CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Penny
WR: AJB, Jefferson, Evans, DJM, Chark, Lamb, Tee Higgins, Mims, Shenault, Jeudy, Ruggs, P. Williams, Edwards, Callaway
TE: Andrews, Jonnu, Hock, Hurst
K: Some guy
Def: Who knows
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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby Favrezilla » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:56 pm

dynofun wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:41 pm
OK this trade just went down in my 12 team Dynasty League. I personally think it's pretty horrible but we'll see what everyone here thinks:

Team A got TJ Hockenson

Team B got Devin Singletary and Marquise "Hollywood" Brown

Is this bad enough to warrant being overturned?
Seems like a good trade for both people imo.

In my leagues
Hock went 1.6-1.8

Singletary went 1.10-2.1
Hollywood went 1.12-2.8

So it’s a pretty solid offer and deal for both teams. Don’t remotely see the issue
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (12th year)
QB: Mahomes, Wentz, Stafford, Burrow
RB: Chubb, Henry, Mixon,
WR: ARob, DJ Moore, Godwin, AB, Williams, Davis,
TE: Ertz, Jonnu
Picks: 2021: 2.5 2.9, 3.9

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (9th year)
QB: Wentz, ?? , Fitz, Winston/Hill
RB: Miles, Mixon, Henry, Gurley, Michel
WR: Keenan, Evans, ARob, Juju, Davis, Robby, Parker, Preston, Tyler,
TE: Gronk, Ertz, Goedert, Kmet
Picks: 2021: 2.3, 2.9, 3.9

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (2nd year)
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Darnald, Winston
RB: Sanders, JT, Kelley, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Robby, Claypool, Pittman, Reagor, Mims, MW, Preston
TE: Fant, hock
Picks: 2021: 1/2/3.5

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby usps33 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:50 pm

Seems like a very fair trade to me.
10 - Team - PPR
QB - Wilson, Carr
RB - CMC, Mixon, Miles Sanders, Robinson, Fournette, Gurley, Mike Davis,
WR - Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, DK Metcalf, Julio Jones, McLaurin, Lockett, Robby Anderson, Ruggs
TE - Junno Smith, Goedert, Dwelley

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby Slackalacker » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:24 pm

I’d be scared of what other trades have been previously vetoed if this is considered a grey area in your league
color=#FF8000] TEAM 1 - 10 team 1PPR (SF in 2021)[/color] | 2017 & 2019 League Champ
1QB/1SF/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX - 1.6/2.2/2.5/2.8/3.5
QB: Wilson - Wentz - Tua - Hurts - Eason - Mullens
RB: Barkley - Zeke - Mixon - Sanders - Davis - Pollard - Hill - Eno
WR: MThom - Godwin - Jefferson - DJM - Higgins - Hollywood - Pittman - Edwards - Mims - Campbell - Keke - Meyers - Peoples-Jones
TE: Engram - Hock

2-4TEAM 2 - 10 Team 1ppr |2019 Orphan
1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2FLEX
QB: Wentz - Brees - Rivers
RB: CMC - Sanders - JT - Gaskin - Duke - Hill - Ito - Riddick - Bowden - Smallwood - Walton - Wilkins
WR: JuJu - Hill - PWill - Lazard - Samuel - Scotty - MVS - Van Jefferson - Enunwa - Washington - Trent Taylor -
TE: Hooper - Henry - Hurst - Gronk - Warring

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby StripesOfKC » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:28 pm

Is this supposed to be unbalanced in one team's favor? For me, I use the veto obviously when collusion is proven but collusion is pretty hard to prove so not completely opposed to using it if a deal is completely and ridiculously unfair to the point it would ruin the balance of a league. This does not even come close
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8 Team PPR
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 3 FLEX, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K
2019-20 Champion
QB: Burrow, Tannehill, Stafford, Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Jonathan Taylor, D'Andre Swift,, CEH, Dobbins, Damien Harris, Melvin Gordon, Pollard, Cohen, Tevin Coleman
WR: AJ Brown, McLaurin, Justin Jefferson, Julio, DJ Moore, Allen Robinson, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, DJ Chark, Bryan Edwards
TE: Kittle, Hockenson, Gesicki, Trautman
D: Steelers
K: Lutz

2021: 1.6
2022: 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 2 4ths
2023: 2 1sts, 3 2nds, 2 3rd, 3 4ths

Team 2

10 Team 2QB PPR
2020-21 Runner Up
QB: Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dalton
RB: CEH, James Robinson, Kareem Hunt, Zack Moss, Tevin Coleman
WR: Diggs, ARob, Golladay, Lamb, Higgins, Shenault Kupp, Mooney, Gabriel Davis
TE: Fant, Trautman
D: Panthers
K: Blankenship
Picks
2021: 1.9, 2.4, 2.9, 3.9
2022: 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby bjd5211 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:39 pm

StripesOfKC wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:28 pm
Is this supposed to be unbalanced in one team's favor? For me, I use the veto obviously when collusion is proven but collusion is pretty hard to prove so not completely opposed to using it if a deal is completely and ridiculously unfair to the point it would ruin the balance of a league. This does not even come close
99% of the time vetoes end up being just straight trade envy. I've never had collusion remotely come up in any of my leagues in all the years I've played, and I've only seen maybe one or two examples on this forum where it happened. Even the "league balance" argument is BS, every league ever has Haves and Have Nots and there is no way of knowing how trades really shake out. 4 years ago people probably would have said trading Dez for Davante Adams was unfair or affected league balance.

Owners need to be allowed to manage their teams as they see fit. What you value may not align with what I value, and you don't get to dictate to me how I value a player(s) nor do I get to do it to you.

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Re: Is this trade worth vetoing?

Postby hoos89 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:43 pm

lol no
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2020 Runner-up
Rodgers, Tannehill, Wentz
Taylor, Jacobs, Ekeler, D. Harris, Gaskin, Conner, Michel, McKinnon, Ahmed, Love
AJB, DJM, Aiyuk, Claypool, Sutton, Slayton, MVS, Agholor, J. Gordon
Andrews, Herndon
IR(3):
Taxi(4): Tua, G. Davis, Bowden
2021 Picks: 1.02, 1.05, 1.11, 3.02, 3.11, 4.11, 5.11

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
Tannehill, Tua, Bridgewater, Mariota, Eason
Barkley, CEH, Ito, J. Jackson, Bowden, Homer, Love, Guice
J. Jefferson, Metcalf, McLaurin, Thielen, Jeudy, Cooks, Berrios, Byrd, Foster, Hansen, Harmon, C. Johnson, T. Johnson
Kelce, Eifert, Herndon
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.07, 1.08, 2.09, 3.11, 4.04

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2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


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