Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Team 1 below.
I know... I know. We are supposed to be collecting all the 2020 picks we can for this upcoming great rookie class but... Hockenson is supposed to be a generational TE prospect and he's still on the board at 1.09. Should I offer up the 2020 2nd round pick to get back into the first round and grab Hock or I am overstating his talent, not accounting for how long a rookie TE takes to develop, and overemphasizing team need and then should I roll the dice and wait for 2020 with my, what should be a high if my team is as bad as it seems, 2nd round pick?
Would love to hear your thoughts!
Note: We have a small yardage scoring bump for TEs (.125 pts/yd vs .1)
Draft so far:
1.01 Jacobs, Josh OAK RB
1.02 Harry, N'Keal NEP WR
1.03 Montgomery, David CHI RB (R)
1.04 Sanders, Miles PHI RB (R)
1.05 Singletary, Devin BUF RB (R)
1.06 Metcalf, DK SEA WR (R)
1.07 Henderson, Darrell LAR RB (R)
I know... I know. We are supposed to be collecting all the 2020 picks we can for this upcoming great rookie class but... Hockenson is supposed to be a generational TE prospect and he's still on the board at 1.09. Should I offer up the 2020 2nd round pick to get back into the first round and grab Hock or I am overstating his talent, not accounting for how long a rookie TE takes to develop, and overemphasizing team need and then should I roll the dice and wait for 2020 with my, what should be a high if my team is as bad as it seems, 2nd round pick?
Would love to hear your thoughts!
Note: We have a small yardage scoring bump for TEs (.125 pts/yd vs .1)
Draft so far:
1.01 Jacobs, Josh OAK RB
1.02 Harry, N'Keal NEP WR
1.03 Montgomery, David CHI RB (R)
1.04 Sanders, Miles PHI RB (R)
1.05 Singletary, Devin BUF RB (R)
1.06 Metcalf, DK SEA WR (R)
1.07 Henderson, Darrell LAR RB (R)
Team 1: Dynasty/Contract Team: 12 Team, PPR, QB,1 RB, 2WR, 2 Flex WR/RB, TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.25X receiving yards points)
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
- Gator Sens
- GOAT
- Posts: 53938
- Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:17 am
- Contact:
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
If this is an option, I would make the deal. Even with next years potential class, essentially drafting Hockenson with a 2nd is fantastic value.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
If you can get it done I like it
12 Team 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 5IDP
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, JSN, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11
16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
WR: Lamb, Burks, G Wilson, JSN, Q Johnson, Hardman, Goodwin
TE: Dulcich, Albert O, Gray, Granson
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Without even looking at your team, this is a huge yes.
It's Hock in PPR, standard, vacuum, anything. Great value.
It's Hock in PPR, standard, vacuum, anything. Great value.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
A couple of years ago I was set at TE for years with Gronk and Eifert no I literally don't have a TE on my roster. Having said that, I don't like drafting for need in the rookie draft but if needs meets value, all the better.
Team 1: Dynasty/Contract Team: 12 Team, PPR, QB,1 RB, 2WR, 2 Flex WR/RB, TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.25X receiving yards points)
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Absolutely. As good as next years draft is, you aren't getting a prospect as good as Hockenson (especially at TE) in the 2nd round.
But you are asking if you should make the offer, not accept, so unless you left some discussions with the other owner out of your post I think it's going to take more than your future 2 to get this done most likely. I wouldn't trade away the pick that would land me Hockenson for a future 2nd round pick, especially in any kind of TE Premium league.
But you are asking if you should make the offer, not accept, so unless you left some discussions with the other owner out of your post I think it's going to take more than your future 2 to get this done most likely. I wouldn't trade away the pick that would land me Hockenson for a future 2nd round pick, especially in any kind of TE Premium league.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Good points but I'm feeling like I could maybe get it done.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:40 am Absolutely. As good as next years draft is, you aren't getting a prospect as good as Hockenson (especially at TE) in the 2nd round.
But you are asking if you should make the offer, not accept, so unless you left some discussions with the other owner out of your post I think it's going to take more than your future 2 to get this done most likely. I wouldn't trade away the pick that would land me Hockenson for a future 2nd round pick, especially in any kind of TE Premium league.
Many in this league are licking their lips at the 2020 draft class, and rightfully so. I agree that usually a future pick is worth less at the same point as a current pick (opportunity cost, future value and all) but I think the confluence of how flat the 2019 class is after the first 1/2 of the first round vs how strong the 2020 class is supposed to be changes the math.
Team 1: Dynasty/Contract Team: 12 Team, PPR, QB,1 RB, 2WR, 2 Flex WR/RB, TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.25X receiving yards points)
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
But Hockenson is still on the board, so this draft still has top prospects available, Fant is only slightly behind him. They should both be top 6 picks in a 1QB/TE Premium league. If the guy takes the offer great, but I would hardly count on it.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Entirely fair point although I have seen Hock drop to the bottom of the 1st, and even to the 2nd in some cases, so not everyone sees him as a top pick. Perhaps there is a lot of concern as to his roll in Detroit, Detroit's offense overall, and what Detroit has done (or not done) with other top TE prospects.
Team 1: Dynasty/Contract Team: 12 Team, PPR, QB,1 RB, 2WR, 2 Flex WR/RB, TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.25X receiving yards points)
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
QB – J. Hurts, A Richardson (R-IR))
RB – Javonte Williams, K. Walker III,J. Hill, J. Ford, K. Miller (R), J.K. Dobbins (IR), K. Hebert (IR)
WR – J. Chase, C. Lamb, K. Allen, T. Burks, DJ Chark, P. Nakua (R)
TE – D. Waller, C. Okonkwo, L. Thomas, J. Ferguson
Team 2: Dynasty Team: 12 Team, 0.5 PPR, QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex WR/RB/TE (Premium TE scoring: 1.5X receiving yards points)
QB - A. Rodgers, L. Jackson
RB - B. Hall, S. Barkley, A. Kamara, E. Mitchell, J. Mason, Z. White, K. Miller (R), T. Spears (R)
WR - T. Hill, D. Adams, C. Watson, M. Brown, R. Rice (R)
TE - D. Waller, G. Kittle, J. Ferguson
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Well, send the offer and find out.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Yes, an easy choice to make.
LOL at Singletary at 1.05.
LOL at Singletary at 1.05.
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
I would offer the 2nd for Hock. the TE class won't be as good next year anyway and he is an exceptional talent.
12 team PPR
QB- Lamar, Burrow, Richardson
WR- K. Allen, Garrett Wilson, Pickens, OBJ, DeVonta Smith, Wan'dale, Tillman
RB- McCaffrey, Chubb, Sanders, Dobbins, Brian Robinson, Roschon, Ford, Rodriguez
TE- Henry, Knox, Ferguson, Laporta, Darnell washington
K- Butker
DST- Steelers, eagles
2024 picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX (WR/RB/TE), K, DST -------1 pt. - PPR
QB- Lamar, Burrow, Richardson
WR- K. Allen, Garrett Wilson, Pickens, OBJ, DeVonta Smith, Wan'dale, Tillman
RB- McCaffrey, Chubb, Sanders, Dobbins, Brian Robinson, Roschon, Ford, Rodriguez
TE- Henry, Knox, Ferguson, Laporta, Darnell washington
K- Butker
DST- Steelers, eagles
2024 picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th
1QB, 2WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 FLEX (WR/RB/TE), K, DST -------1 pt. - PPR
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
Easy yes if you can
12 tm/PPR/SF/TE+/Full IDP (start 11/11)/Contracts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB-
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
S-
1.02, 1.11
3 '25 1sts, 4 '26 1sts
QB- Kyler, TLaw Stafford
RB-
WR- JJ, Lamb, ARSB, DJM, Kirk QJ
TE- Engram, Schultz
PK/CB-
DT- Wilkins, Vea
DE- Bosa, Young, Landry Ebukam
LB- Campbell,Speed, Mcfadden, Dodson
S-
1.02, 1.11
3 '25 1sts, 4 '26 1sts
-
- Starter
- Posts: 562
- Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:24 am
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
To hop on this, since there's no way I'd be able to get Hock for a 2020 2nd in my league...
Would you guys be willing to part with a 2020 1st for Hock? Given my team (in sig) it would almost certainly be 1.08-1.10. Would that be good as it is, or should I try to get a small piece added to Hock as well?
Would you guys be willing to part with a 2020 1st for Hock? Given my team (in sig) it would almost certainly be 1.08-1.10. Would that be good as it is, or should I try to get a small piece added to Hock as well?
10-team standard, 18-man rosters (plus K/D + 1 IR + 2 TAXI)
1QB | 2RB | 2WR | 1TE | 1FLEX
2021: 8-6, 5th (AP: 76-50 / 60.3%, 3rd) ||| Runner-up
2022: 5-1, 2nd (AP: 47-7 / 87.0%, 1st)
QB: Hurts, Russ, Carr
RB: Chubb, Pierce, Swift, JRob, D'Ernest, Ford
WR: Diggs, Evans, GDavis, Nuk, Keenan, Hollywood, Mooney, CSamuel, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Dulcich, Fant
2023 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2024 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
1QB | 2RB | 2WR | 1TE | 1FLEX
2021: 8-6, 5th (AP: 76-50 / 60.3%, 3rd) ||| Runner-up
2022: 5-1, 2nd (AP: 47-7 / 87.0%, 1st)
QB: Hurts, Russ, Carr
RB: Chubb, Pierce, Swift, JRob, D'Ernest, Ford
WR: Diggs, Evans, GDavis, Nuk, Keenan, Hollywood, Mooney, CSamuel, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Dulcich, Fant
2023 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2024 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
-
- Ring of Fame
- Posts: 3242
- Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:40 am
Re: Trade 2020 2nd for Hockenson?
I offered my 2nd next year ( which will be the 2.1 ) to a couple of teams in that range this year to draft hock. I was denied both times and he was taken at 10.
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Easy Breesy, Google [Bot], Jrblaha, Platt22 and 81 guests