(Small) Chance to get CMC

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(Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby PTW32 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am

After trading for OBJ ive decided I'm all in on trying to win a championship in the next 2 years.

Guy with CMC is kind of inbetween contending and rebuilding. He said he isnt looking to move CMC but would for the right price.

Doesnt it make sense to take a run at him?

What package can I offer?

How i see my lineup
Qb: Baker
Rb: Cook
Rb: Lindsey
Wr: OBJ
Wr: Cooks
Wr: Golladay
Te: Kittle
Te: Howard
Flex: Godwin
Flex: Kirk

Bench guys worth talking about (rest of team in Sig)
Miles Sanders
TJ Hockenson
Keke Coutee
Lamar Jackson

Something like Cooks, Sanders, Hockerson and a 2nd for CMC? Will this get me laughed at?
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby L’stone » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 am

I don’t think it will get you laughed at but I think it’s comfortably short.

Sanders won’t be considered much at the moment when weighed up against CMac, given he hasn’t played a down. Same with Hock, who will be downvalued probably because he’s a TE. Cooks is a very good piece but a 2nd always feels like a soft throw in when it’s in a deal for an elite player.

It’s possible that changing that to a 1st might move the needle.
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RB: Saquon Barkley, Todd Gurley
WR: Julio Jones, Adam Thielen, Amari Cooper
TE: Zach Ertz
K: Robbie Gould
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RB: Mack, Damien Williams, Hines, Dexter Williams
WR: Edelman, Robinson, Boykin, Cain
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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby PTW32 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:17 am

L’stone wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 am I don’t think it will get you laughed at but I think it’s comfortably short.

Sanders won’t be considered much at the moment when weighed up against CMac, given he hasn’t played a down. Same with Hock, who will be downvalued probably because he’s a TE. Cooks is a very good piece but a 2nd always feels like a soft throw in when it’s in a deal for an elite player.

It’s possible that changing that to a 1st might move the needle.
Yea thats what i was thinking too. I burnt out my 1sts getting OBJ.

He did mention to me that hes looking to load up on 2nds but that wasnt in the context of trading CMC
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 am

PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am Something like Cooks, Sanders, Hockerson and a 2nd for CMC? Will this get me laughed at?
Sounds fair to me, but from what I've seen, McCaffrey is supremely overvalued as a top-5 startup pick. Worth a shot, but I would expect that it will be declined.
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am Something like Cooks, Sanders, Hockerson and a 2nd for CMC? Will this get me laughed at?
Sounds fair to me, but from what I've seen, McCaffrey is supremely overvalued as a top-5 startup pick. Worth a shot, but I would expect that it will be declined.
This deal is definitely worth a shot. If it gets declined, Cook, Cooks and a 2nd might get it done. It's a lot to pay but trying to buy CMC now is going to be pricey.

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby ChefHerbie » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:40 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am Something like Cooks, Sanders, Hockerson and a 2nd for CMC? Will this get me laughed at?
Sounds fair to me, but from what I've seen, McCaffrey is supremely overvalued as a top-5 startup pick. Worth a shot, but I would expect that it will be declined.
Not to hijack the thread, but curious if your opinion on this is based upon the fact he's only had one elite year?
Team 1 - 10 Team PPR - 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2FLEX

QBs: Wentz, Big Ben, Darnold, Murray, Bridgewater
RBs: Chubb, Mack, L. Miller, Monty, Foreman, Henderson, Ballage, Armstead, R. Anderson
WRs: OBJ, K. Allen, Cooks, ARob, Z. Jones, Chark, K. White, D. Robinson, McLaurin
TE: Howard, Njoku, Reed

Picks:
2020: 1-4
2021: 1-4
2022: 1-4

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QBs: Mayfield, Watson, Jimmy GQ, Grier
RBs: Barkley, Sony, Lewis, D. Thompson, Love
WRs: Thomas, OBJ, AB, Kupp, ARob, C. Ridley, Alshon, MVS, Chark, Gordon, McLaurin, Quinn
TE: Burton, Walker

Picks:
2020: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021: 1, 3
2022: 1-3

Team 3 - 10 Team PPR - QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLEX

QBs: Watson, Wilson, Mayfield, Murray, Grier
RBs: Ballage, Henderson, Hunt, Hill, Armstead, Anderson, Williams, Thompson, Crockett
WRs: Nuk, Evans, Cooper, Cooks, Samuel, Butler, Chark, Quinn, Robinson, D. Johnson, Morgan Jr.
TEs: Fant, Dissly, Goedert

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2021: 1-4
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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:08 am

ChefHerbie wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:40 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:20 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:00 am Something like Cooks, Sanders, Hockerson and a 2nd for CMC? Will this get me laughed at?
Sounds fair to me, but from what I've seen, McCaffrey is supremely overvalued as a top-5 startup pick. Worth a shot, but I would expect that it will be declined.
Not to hijack the thread, but curious if your opinion on this is based upon the fact he's only had one elite year?
I think McCaffrey can definitely repeat as a PPR RB1 with a RB2 floor. However, last season was a culmination of a lot of factors that made him an elite fantasy RB. Newton's shoulder issue forced him to check down and not run as much, leading to a ton of dump-off targets to McCaffrey. Olsen was hurt / not playing great, and both Moore and Samuel were more experienced. I'd expect more targets to go to the young WRs and Olsen / Thomas at TE. As I said, I like McCaffrey, but I would expect a fair drop in target volume / PPR production. I'll be looking to sell high on McCaffrey for my team in sig, possibly targeting a package deal like Marlon Mack + 1.12 + early 2020 1st.
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RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby PTW32 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:24 am

I found out that the CMC owner received an offer of Mixon + Boyd and rejected it without countering.

So my guess is id have to beat that by a good margin.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am

As a CMC owner I would laugh at that deal and not counter. He scored so much higher than the guys below him last year, that he could have a massive drop off and still be a top 4 guy. Not to mention he just turned 23. I wouldn't sell him for anything less than a massive overpay. I don't think you have enough pieces to get him.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby PTW32 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am As a CMC owner I would laugh at that deal and not counter. He scored so much higher than the guys below him last year, that he could have a massive drop off and still be a top 4 guy. Not to mention he just turned 23. I wouldn't sell him for anything less than a massive overpay. I don't think you have enough pieces to get him.
I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:15 am

PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am
FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am As a CMC owner I would laugh at that deal and not counter. He scored so much higher than the guys below him last year, that he could have a massive drop off and still be a top 4 guy. Not to mention he just turned 23. I wouldn't sell him for anything less than a massive overpay. I don't think you have enough pieces to get him.
I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
I didn't think I needed to clarify that since you already mentioned that you are trying to make a run at a championship. So obviously you aren't going to move OBJ, Kittle, and Cook for him and still expect to compete.... right?

So it should go without saying that I'm talking about you not having enough pieces that you can afford to lose to get him and still be competitive.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby Finfansteve » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 am

PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am
FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am As a CMC owner I would laugh at that deal and not counter. He scored so much higher than the guys below him last year, that he could have a massive drop off and still be a top 4 guy. Not to mention he just turned 23. I wouldn't sell him for anything less than a massive overpay. I don't think you have enough pieces to get him.
I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
If I owned CMC I’d probably take that offer but if I was you I wouldn’t make that offer you’d be bankrupting your team of the very players you should be building around
Qb: Hurts, geno Smith
Rb: JT, Gibbs, Montgomery, Roschon, Z. White, Ty Chandler
Wr: AJB, JJ, Chase, waddle, G Wilson
TE: Pitts, Kincaid, Likely, Njoku

2024 1.01, 1.04, 1.05
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Non PPR
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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am

Finfansteve wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am
FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am As a CMC owner I would laugh at that deal and not counter. He scored so much higher than the guys below him last year, that he could have a massive drop off and still be a top 4 guy. Not to mention he just turned 23. I wouldn't sell him for anything less than a massive overpay. I don't think you have enough pieces to get him.
I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
If I owned CMC I’d probably take that offer but if I was you I wouldn’t make that offer you’d be bankrupting your team of the very players you should be building around
He knows that.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby PTW32 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:05 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am
Finfansteve wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am

I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
If I owned CMC I’d probably take that offer but if I was you I wouldn’t make that offer you’d be bankrupting your team of the very players you should be building around
He knows that.
Yea i wouldnt do a deal like that just trying to figure out what is a fair offer and if i can reasonable make it work with the rest of my pieces.

It doesnt look like i can which is cool im still feeling pretty good about my chances to me a playoff team this year amd maybe make a run next year if some of my young guys develop.

Thanks for the responses
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: (Small) Chance to get CMC

Postby Finfansteve » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:22 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am
Finfansteve wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 am
PTW32 wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:01 am

I feel like its a bit of an exaggeration to say i dont have enough peices to get him.

Like i might not have enough peices that i can afford to lose and still make my team better but surely you would accept something like Cook, OBJ and Kittle for him right?
If I owned CMC I’d probably take that offer but if I was you I wouldn’t make that offer you’d be bankrupting your team of the very players you should be building around
He knows that.
Oops I didn’t read the whole thing apparently
Qb: Hurts, geno Smith
Rb: JT, Gibbs, Montgomery, Roschon, Z. White, Ty Chandler
Wr: AJB, JJ, Chase, waddle, G Wilson
TE: Pitts, Kincaid, Likely, Njoku

2024 1.01, 1.04, 1.05
10 team
9 players kept yearly
Non PPR
Not super flex
Start 1/1/2/1/2 flex
1 point per first down
All tds 6 points


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