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Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:59 am
by Brownies4life
For team 1 was offered

Kyler Murray, 2020 2nd

For

Carson Wentz, 2020 4th

Need some opinions please.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:33 am
by FuzzySignificance
Unless you think you can milk it a bit more, I'd snap accept.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:36 am
by FantasyFreak
I just paid Kyler plus for Wentz. I had to add a 2nd, Pettis and a drop down in the first round by 5 spots, and I felt it was worth it. Wentz is worth quite a bit more than Kyler. Wentz side easily for me in this offer, OP. He's worth more than a 2nd and 4th flip. Not a snap accent at all. If it were a 1 QB, sure, but in a SF, you are taking all the risk. Wentz has shown to be able to play at an MVP level, and even in his "down year" last year, his stats were really good. I'd pass on that offer.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:48 am
by dblj1199
Instant accept for me.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:06 am
by FantasyFreak
dblj1199 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:48 am
Instant accept for me.
You really think Kyler is basically on par with Wentz already? I mean, I'm not believing all the Kyler hype, personally, I think he can be good, but not buying his imaginative ceiling, BUT regardless, I don't think the OP is getting value for Wentz with this offer. Wentz should be worth well more than the 1.01 rookie pick in a SuperFlex league.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:28 am
by Gator Sens
I think the value is on the Murray side in SF especially with all the hype. No saying I would 100% take the deal just to flip Murray but I would be fielding offers.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:37 am
by FantasyFreak
Gator Sens wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:28 am
I think the value is on the Murray side in SF especially with all the hype. No saying I would 100% take the deal just to flip Murray but I would be fielding offers.
These posts are astounding to me. As a Wentz owner, no way I'd take Kyler and a 2nd for Carson and a 4th. Valuing a rookie who is far from can't miss over a proven player with elite capabilities in the NFL is a big risk, IMO. I think rookie fever is too high. I understand your thoughts, but the idea to flip Kyler would ultimately be for an upgrade at QB, no? He already has that in Wentz. 26, played at MVP caliber level, team showed belief in him by extending him, tons of weapons around him, good OL. I really fail to see how this is an acceptable offer for Carson. I just think the OP is selling low here.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:44 am
by Bot101
Id want a 1st on top of Kyler to move Wentz.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:59 am
by jodscott213
Wentz all the way unless you get a 2020 first at least.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
by Bubba90
I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:28 am
by JOHNNY_COCKTAIL
I like the idea of moving Wentz for Murray but it would take a hell of a lot more. It would take a decent starter for me at least

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:02 am
by ChefHerbie
Wentz side

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:16 am
by FuzzySignificance
Bubba90 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.
it's not rookie hype when basic math supports it.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:34 pm
by FantasyFreak
FuzzySignificance wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:16 am
Bubba90 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.
it's not rookie hype when basic math supports it.
Wentz>>>>>Kyler by more than a 2nd and 4th swap IMO. It really depends on what ADP/ranking you look at, but on DLF Wentz is QB 8 and Murray 14. The OP would be taking on significantly more risk for not much of anything added. The Murray side should need to add more based on every trade involving Wentz and Kyler I have seen, and their values in my 7 leagues. ADP is only a guideline, but giving up a QB of Wentz's caliber who has proven to be able to perform at an elite level should be worth more than a 2nd and 4th swap. I've been on the end of trading away Wentz, and for Wentz in Superflex, and his value in all those leagues is quite a bit higher than what the OP has been offered. He needs to get more for Carson IMO.

Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:45 pm
by DoggieOG
Wentz is being overlooked and undervalued. This time last year he was the QB3 if I remember correctly or very close to it. Wentz has proven elite talent and is on a Superbowl contending team with a lot of talent surrounding him. Murray may have the upside people are talking about, but he has not proven himself yet in the NFL. That said, it would take Murray/2020 1st for my Wentz/2020 3rd for me to entertain swapping QB's. That 2nd/4th flip falls way short