Wentz/Kyler deal

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Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby Brownies4life » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:59 am

For team 1 was offered

Kyler Murray, 2020 2nd

For

Carson Wentz, 2020 4th

Need some opinions please.
Superflex, Full PPR 1QB 2RB 3WR 3flex 1 Sflx
QB: Dak, Wentz, Daniel Jones, Nick Mullens
RB: Royce Freeman, Penny, Carson, M. Brown, Foreman,
WR: Evans, Pettis, Metcalf, Harry, Mclaurin, Harmon, D.J. Chark, Agholor, Quinn, Gabriel, MVS, Justin Watson, Kirkwood, Cobb
TE: Fant, RSJ, Dan Arnold, Gerald Everett
Picks 2020: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4
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Superflex, PPR, 12 team, 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1 flex 1 Sflx
QB: Brady, Kyler Murray, Flacco
RB: CMC, Fournette, Guice, AP, Chris Warren, Bruce Anderson,
WR: Evans, Adams, AJ Green, Miller, Allison, DeMarcus Robinson, Patrick, Kirkwood, Hurd
TE: OJ Howard, Dissly, Waller
2020 picks: 2, 3, 4

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FuzzySignificance » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:33 am

Unless you think you can milk it a bit more, I'd snap accept.
12 team ppr, 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 2 flex
QB: Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota
RB: Ezekiel Elliott, Le'Veon Bell, Kerryon Johnson, Peyton Barber, Ronald Jones, Darwin Thompson
WR: Amari Cooper, Adam Thielen, Antonio Brown, Will Fuller, DeDe Westbrook, Robby Anderson, Marquise Goodwin, Justin Watson, Albert Wilson, Greg Dortch
TE: Travis Kelce, Vance McDonald, Kyle Rudolph, Delanie Walker, Ian Thomas, Gerald Everett

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:36 am

I just paid Kyler plus for Wentz. I had to add a 2nd, Pettis and a drop down in the first round by 5 spots, and I felt it was worth it. Wentz is worth quite a bit more than Kyler. Wentz side easily for me in this offer, OP. He's worth more than a 2nd and 4th flip. Not a snap accent at all. If it were a 1 QB, sure, but in a SF, you are taking all the risk. Wentz has shown to be able to play at an MVP level, and even in his "down year" last year, his stats were really good. I'd pass on that offer.
DLF Early Birds Special/ Year 1 (16 Team SuperFlex 25 man roster Start 10)

Record: 23-5

Wentz, Stafford. Driskel
Chubb, Cook, Carson, Breida, Ekeler, Penny, James White, Sproles
Evans, Sutton, Woods, Agholor, Sanu, Higgins, D Robinson, T Taylor
Kittle, Olsen, McDonald, Ian Thomas, Clay

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby dblj1199 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:48 am

Instant accept for me.
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ppr, 10 team, 6 pt all td, 30 man roster QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, Flex (r/w/t), K, 3 IDP
Qb- Mahomes, Brissett
RB- Zeke, Hunt, K Johnson(i.r.)Shady, P Barber K Balldage, Darrell Williams, Snell Jr, D Thompson, G Edwards
WR- OBJ, AJ Greene,A Brown, A Cooper, ARob, TY Hilton, D Parker, DeDe Westbrook,
TE- OJ Howard, Waller, Eifert, Gronk, Sternberger
IDP(3)- Littleton, VanderEsch, B Martinez, Devin White, L Collins
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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:06 am

dblj1199 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:48 am
Instant accept for me.
You really think Kyler is basically on par with Wentz already? I mean, I'm not believing all the Kyler hype, personally, I think he can be good, but not buying his imaginative ceiling, BUT regardless, I don't think the OP is getting value for Wentz with this offer. Wentz should be worth well more than the 1.01 rookie pick in a SuperFlex league.
DLF Early Birds Special/ Year 1 (16 Team SuperFlex 25 man roster Start 10)

Record: 23-5

Wentz, Stafford. Driskel
Chubb, Cook, Carson, Breida, Ekeler, Penny, James White, Sproles
Evans, Sutton, Woods, Agholor, Sanu, Higgins, D Robinson, T Taylor
Kittle, Olsen, McDonald, Ian Thomas, Clay

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby Gator Sens » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:28 am

I think the value is on the Murray side in SF especially with all the hype. No saying I would 100% take the deal just to flip Murray but I would be fielding offers.
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12 Team, PPR, 30 roster: 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 DST, 1 K
QB: Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees, Josh Allen
RB: Alvin Kamara, Dalvin Cook, Nick Chubb, Leonard Fournette, Joe Mixon, Derrius Guice, Alexander Mattison, Ryquell Armstead, Rodney Anderson
WR: Kenny Golladay, Chris Godwin, Calvin Ridley, Courtland Sutton, Dede Westbrook, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk, Mike Williams, Josh Reynolds, Equanimeous St. Brown
TE: Mark Andrews, O.J. Howard, David Njoku, Greg Olsen, Ian Thomas

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:37 am

Gator Sens wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:28 am
I think the value is on the Murray side in SF especially with all the hype. No saying I would 100% take the deal just to flip Murray but I would be fielding offers.
These posts are astounding to me. As a Wentz owner, no way I'd take Kyler and a 2nd for Carson and a 4th. Valuing a rookie who is far from can't miss over a proven player with elite capabilities in the NFL is a big risk, IMO. I think rookie fever is too high. I understand your thoughts, but the idea to flip Kyler would ultimately be for an upgrade at QB, no? He already has that in Wentz. 26, played at MVP caliber level, team showed belief in him by extending him, tons of weapons around him, good OL. I really fail to see how this is an acceptable offer for Carson. I just think the OP is selling low here.
DLF Early Birds Special/ Year 1 (16 Team SuperFlex 25 man roster Start 10)

Record: 23-5

Wentz, Stafford. Driskel
Chubb, Cook, Carson, Breida, Ekeler, Penny, James White, Sproles
Evans, Sutton, Woods, Agholor, Sanu, Higgins, D Robinson, T Taylor
Kittle, Olsen, McDonald, Ian Thomas, Clay

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby Bot101 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:44 am

Id want a 1st on top of Kyler to move Wentz.

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby jodscott213 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:59 am

Wentz all the way unless you get a 2020 first at least.
10 Team salary: No PPR, 4pt passing td, 6pt rushing/receiving, 1 pt every 100 yds

Lineup: basically like a NFL lineup
1qb
5 skill positions
Rb: Up to 3 but dont have to start any
Wr: up to 5 but dont have to do any
Te: up to 3 but dont have to do any
Salary Cap: 47.50
QB: Wentz(3@.50) Jimmy G(4@.50), Josh Allen(5@1)
RB: Barkley(6@3.00),James Connor(2@2.70) Mixon(5@1.60), Fournette(5@2.80), Guice(6@2.40), Montgomery(5@2.60),Justice Hill(3@1.00) Alexander Mattinson(3@.5)
WR: OBJ(4@8.70), Adams(4@7.50) DJ Moore(5@1.60), Pettis(3@.50), Deebo(4@.80) Campbell(4@1.20), JJAW(3@.50) Keesean Johnson(3@.5) Sutton(3@.5)
TE: Ertz(1@.5) Will Dissly(3@1.00)
K: Gould, Prater
Def: Browns, Pats

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2020
3 firsts, 1 Second
2021
2 firsts, 1 2nd

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby Bubba90 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am

I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:28 am

I like the idea of moving Wentz for Murray but it would take a hell of a lot more. It would take a decent starter for me at least
12 Team PPR (PPR- QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, D, K)
QB- Winston
RB- Barkely, Cook, AP
WR- K. Allen, Hill, Diggs, Golladay, DJ Moore, Shepard, Enunwa, Callaway, Chark
TE- Kelce, Gesicki

10 Team .5 PPR. QB Premium. Added Big Play Points (QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 FLEX (non qb), D, K)
QB- Brees, Mayfield, Prescott
RB- Barkley, Cook, Dixon, I. Smith
WR- OBJ, D. Adams, Evans, B. Cooks, Kupp, C. Davis, Godwin, Boyd, Fuller, J. Gordon, Gallup
TE: Mike Gesicki, Vance McDonald

12 Team. Superflex. TE Premium. PPR. (QB, SF, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, TE)
QB: Wilson, Ryan, Eli, Fitzpatrick
RB: Barkley, Mixon, Ekelar, I. Smith, D. Lewis, Gio
WR: Hill, Evans, KA, Metcalf, M. Brown, Whiteside, Agholor, D. Robinson
TE: McDonald, Reed, Hurst, Everett

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(1 QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 2 WR, 3 Flex, TE)
QB: Luck, Wilson, Lock, Fitzpatrick
RB: Joe Mixon, Josh Jacobs, D. Lewis, J. Richard
WR: Mike Evans, Hill, Cooks, M.Brown, Gallup, Ross, Richardson
TE: Kelce, Everett, Smith

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby ChefHerbie » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:02 am

Wentz side
Team 1 - 10 Team PPR - 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2FLEX

QBs: Wentz, Big Ben, Darnold, Murray, Bridgewater
RBs: Chubb, Mack, L. Miller, Monty, Foreman, Henderson, Ballage, Armstead, R. Anderson
WRs: OBJ, K. Allen, Cooks, ARob, Z. Jones, Chark, K. White, D. Robinson, McLaurin
TE: Howard, Njoku, Reed

Picks:
2020: 1-4
2021: 1-4
2022: 1-4

Team 2 - 10 Team PPR SF - QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 1SF

QBs: Mayfield, Watson, Jimmy GQ, Grier
RBs: Barkley, Sony, Lewis, D. Thompson, Love
WRs: Thomas, OBJ, AB, Kupp, ARob, C. Ridley, Alshon, MVS, Chark, Gordon, McLaurin, Quinn
TE: Burton, Walker

Picks:
2020: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021: 1, 3
2022: 1-3

Team 3 - 10 Team PPR - QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLEX

QBs: Watson, Wilson, Mayfield, Murray, Grier
RBs: Ballage, Henderson, Hunt, Hill, Armstead, Anderson, Williams, Thompson, Crockett
WRs: Nuk, Evans, Cooper, Cooks, Samuel, Butler, Chark, Quinn, Robinson, D. Johnson, Morgan Jr.
TEs: Fant, Dissly, Goedert

Picks:
2020: 1-4
2021: 1-4
2022: 1-4

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FuzzySignificance » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:16 am

Bubba90 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.
it's not rookie hype when basic math supports it.
12 team ppr, 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 2 flex
QB: Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota
RB: Ezekiel Elliott, Le'Veon Bell, Kerryon Johnson, Peyton Barber, Ronald Jones, Darwin Thompson
WR: Amari Cooper, Adam Thielen, Antonio Brown, Will Fuller, DeDe Westbrook, Robby Anderson, Marquise Goodwin, Justin Watson, Albert Wilson, Greg Dortch
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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:34 pm

FuzzySignificance wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:16 am
Bubba90 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am
I’d keep Wentz, don’t get caught up in rookie hype.
it's not rookie hype when basic math supports it.
Wentz>>>>>Kyler by more than a 2nd and 4th swap IMO. It really depends on what ADP/ranking you look at, but on DLF Wentz is QB 8 and Murray 14. The OP would be taking on significantly more risk for not much of anything added. The Murray side should need to add more based on every trade involving Wentz and Kyler I have seen, and their values in my 7 leagues. ADP is only a guideline, but giving up a QB of Wentz's caliber who has proven to be able to perform at an elite level should be worth more than a 2nd and 4th swap. I've been on the end of trading away Wentz, and for Wentz in Superflex, and his value in all those leagues is quite a bit higher than what the OP has been offered. He needs to get more for Carson IMO.
DLF Early Birds Special/ Year 1 (16 Team SuperFlex 25 man roster Start 10)

Record: 23-5

Wentz, Stafford. Driskel
Chubb, Cook, Carson, Breida, Ekeler, Penny, James White, Sproles
Evans, Sutton, Woods, Agholor, Sanu, Higgins, D Robinson, T Taylor
Kittle, Olsen, McDonald, Ian Thomas, Clay

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Re: Wentz/Kyler deal

Postby DoggieOG » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:45 pm

Wentz is being overlooked and undervalued. This time last year he was the QB3 if I remember correctly or very close to it. Wentz has proven elite talent and is on a Superbowl contending team with a lot of talent surrounding him. Murray may have the upside people are talking about, but he has not proven himself yet in the NFL. That said, it would take Murray/2020 1st for my Wentz/2020 3rd for me to entertain swapping QB's. That 2nd/4th flip falls way short


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