Draft Grade?

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Draft Grade?

A
6
15%
B
19
48%
C
9
23%
D
2
5%
F
4
10%
 
Total votes: 40

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Draft Grade?

Postby kl5661 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:56 am

for team #2 in my sig:

1.08 - Darrell Henderson
1.11 - Noah Fant
2.01 - Mecole Hardman
3.01 - Irv Smith

Doubled up at TE because A) Irv is a value pick at 3.01 and B) my only TE rostered is Kyle Rudolph
Team 1:
Start 1 QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1 STANDARD FLEX, .5 PPR

QB - Lamar J, Darnold, Minshew
RB - Mixon, Chubb, Mack, Hunt, David Johnson, Penny, Gio, Tevin Coleman, Breida
WR - Keenan, Tyreek, Golladay, Boyd, C Ridley, Anthony Miller, Crowder, Diontae Johnson
TE - Hurst, Goedert, Jarwin

Team 2:
Starting - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex, 1 Flex. Full PPR

QBs - Dak, Darnold, Dalton, Eason
RBs - CMC, Dobbins, Ingram, Burkhead, Thompson, Damien Harris, Penny, Ozigbo
WRs - McLaurin, Evans, Hilton, AJ Brown, Coutee, Doctson, Arcega-Whiteside, Sims Jr, Cobb, Antonio Brown
TEs - Higbee, Doyle, Eifert

Team 3:
Start 1 QB/2 RB/3 WR/1 TE/2 FLEX

QB - Dak, Cousins, Rivers, Dalton
RB - Mixon, Chubb, Gio, Duke, J Howard, Kerryon, Bryce Love, Vaughn, Hasty
WR - Allen Robinson, Golladay, Gallup, Diontae Johnson, Slayton, Preston Williams, Steve Sims, Jeffery
TE - Kittle, Doyle, Jordan Reed

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby joeday » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am

I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
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QB – Kyler Murray
RB – Christian McCaffrey
WR – Calvin Ridley | Michael Thomas
TE –


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QB – Deshaun Watson (or Tom Brady)
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WR – DeAndre Hopkins | Davante Adams | Calvin Ridley | Diontae Johnson
TE – Darren Waller
2021 Picks – 1.7 | 3.10 | 4.1 | 5.10 | 6.1 | 7.12 | 8.1 | 9.4 | 9.12 | 10.1

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby briank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:05 am

joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
I disagree that Hardman and Henderson are steals. They may be going higher on average, but I don't want anything to do with either of them at that price. I also think it's impossible to accurately grade someone's draft without seeing every pick and any trades that went down during the draft.
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Wilson
RB Mixon/Ja. Williams/Bernard/Davis
WR Thomas/DJ Moore/Robinson/TY/Washington
TE Kelce/Ertz/Cook
Picks 1.03

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Roethlisberger/Fitzpatrick
RB Barkley/Zeke/Mixon/Dillon/Ja. Williams
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Lockett/Cooks/Fuller
TE Kittle/L. Thomas

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Burrow/Dalton
RB Jacobs/Penny/Dillon/Edwards
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Allen/Woods/Boyd
TE Kittle/Henry/Njoku/Irv Smith

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 11
QB Jackson/Roethlisberger/Brees
RB Da. Johnson/Gurley
WR Adams/Hopkins/Julio/Thielen/Hilton
TE Kelce/Ertz

12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Goff
RB
WR Jefferson/Juju/Sutton/Juedy/DSamuel
TE Kittle/Fant/Njoku
1.01/1.02/1.04/1.06/1.07/1.10, 6 2021 2nds

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby joeday » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:17 am

briank wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:05 am
joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
I disagree that Hardman and Henderson are steals. They may be going higher on average, but I don't want anything to do with either of them at that price. I also think it's impossible to accurately grade someone's draft without seeing every pick and any trades that went down during the draft.
steals compared to where I have seen them go in other drafts*
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QB – Kyler Murray
RB – Christian McCaffrey
WR – Calvin Ridley | Michael Thomas
TE –


ROCKY MOUNTAIN MASTODONS
2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 – πŸ†
2008 | 2012 | 2014 | 2019 – πŸ₯ˆ
12 teams | 10 keepers | non ppr | est. 2001
Projected 2021 Keepers
QB – Deshaun Watson (or Tom Brady)
RB – Derrick Henry | Dalvin Cook | J.K. Dobbins | Alexander Mattison
WR – DeAndre Hopkins | Davante Adams | Calvin Ridley | Diontae Johnson
TE – Darren Waller
2021 Picks – 1.7 | 3.10 | 4.1 | 5.10 | 6.1 | 7.12 | 8.1 | 9.4 | 9.12 | 10.1

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:46 am

joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
Well, not everyone agrees. I think Henderson at 1.08 is too early, I am not a believer of this echo chamber of hype that is pushing his ADP up. Hardman will be good value only IF Hill does not play for the Chiefs after this season.

EDIT: Just saw your above post. So you are saying Henderson is consistently going ahead of 1.08 now? That's awesome, I have 1.08 and other picks after that, I'm hoping someone takes Henderson ahead of me.

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby abloom » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:50 am

Really depends on who else was drafted where.

But, I think you really made a mistake with Henderson at 1.08. He's going to be behind Brown and Gurly this year, and Gurly for the foreseeable future. I think you would have been much better off grabbing a WR there. I think Fant at 1.11 is okay but again it depends on the WRs available. In a 1TE league with no premium, Rudolph is perfectly fine. Hardman pick, again depends on who is there, but I think you overspent on hype. Irv I like.

Overall I'd say its a poor draft. BUT!!! If these are your guys, I think its critical to get your guys.
Dynasty Team #1:
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,G Davis, C Davis, Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert,Henry
D: NE
K: Succop

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Watson, Dalton
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Sutton
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Watson, Love, Mullens, Kaepernick
R: Michel, Moss, J Wilson, harris, hines, Damien Williams
W: Juju, Cooper, K Allen, E Sanders, David Moore, Callaway, Coulter, Hansen, Quez Watkins
T: Thomas, Schultz, Asiasi, Warring, Shaheen

2021 Picks: 1.11,1.12,3.04,4.04,4.06,4.10

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby OkOk » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:57 am

I agree with joeday, nice draftπŸ‘

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby joeday » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:40 am

FantasyFreak wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:46 am
joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
Well, not everyone agrees. I think Henderson at 1.08 is too early, I am not a believer of this echo chamber of hype that is pushing his ADP up. Hardman will be good value only IF Hill does not play for the Chiefs after this season.

EDIT: Just saw your above post. So you are saying Henderson is consistently going ahead of 1.08 now? That's awesome, I have 1.08 and other picks after that, I'm hoping someone takes Henderson ahead of me.
Here are the results of the drafts I've been in so far:
Henderson - 1.10 | 2.2 | 1.6 | 2.1 | 1.8 | 1.6 | 1.6 | 1.6 | 1.5 | 1.4* (draft is still going and we are at 1.9)
Hardman - 1.8 | 1.8 | 1.8 | 1.4 | 1.5 |1.9 | 1.7 | 1.8 | 1.11

I'm not making a judgement on whether these players should be going where they are going, I am just reporting where I have seen them go. Maybe "steal" was too strong of a work, but from what I have seen they were good values at 1.8 and 2.1
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1996 | 2005 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2017 – πŸ†
1999 | 2000 | 2019 | 2020 – πŸ₯ˆ

14 teams | 4 keepers | non ppr | est. 1996
Projected 2021 Keepers
QB – Kyler Murray
RB – Christian McCaffrey
WR – Calvin Ridley | Michael Thomas
TE –


ROCKY MOUNTAIN MASTODONS
2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 – πŸ†
2008 | 2012 | 2014 | 2019 – πŸ₯ˆ
12 teams | 10 keepers | non ppr | est. 2001
Projected 2021 Keepers
QB – Deshaun Watson (or Tom Brady)
RB – Derrick Henry | Dalvin Cook | J.K. Dobbins | Alexander Mattison
WR – DeAndre Hopkins | Davante Adams | Calvin Ridley | Diontae Johnson
TE – Darren Waller
2021 Picks – 1.7 | 3.10 | 4.1 | 5.10 | 6.1 | 7.12 | 8.1 | 9.4 | 9.12 | 10.1

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:46 am

Love the TE picks, hate the other 2.

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby JFever » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:49 am

azthecrow wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:57 am
I agree with joeday, nice draftπŸ‘
Agree. I think you did quite well. To dig one's heals in on opinions (overly positive / or / overly negative) of players in this draft is a mistake. It is quite likely that players drafted in the mid to late 1st and even into the 2nd round could be better prospects and assets than players taken in the top 3 - in one calendar year from now. In my honest opinion, Jacobs fans are drafting him based off of situation, Same with Montgomery. Talent wise, these two rb are really nothing close to elite players.

To be overly negative on Henderson is a mistake only because there is no way that anyone here knows the future of how Gurley will be used, or how long he will be fantasy relevant. Brown isn't someone anyone should worry about in dynasty formats when it comes to Henderson's outlook in my opinion. I'm not hyping Henderson nor am I super high on him. He does have upside, big play ability, and, in that offense, he could be HUGE. So, with all that said, taking him mid first - is completely rational. There are some nice potential wr's that can and should be considered, but, lets not pretend there are great landing spots for them as AJ Brown - situation sucks, Harry - short term ok, maybe, long term - who frickin knows, M.Brown - horrible landing spot, DK - run first team and raw, Hardman - nearly all situation driven, questions remain about his role, how he'll acclimate to the NFL, etc, etc. So lots of question marks with little certainty. Also, drafting those two TE where you did - is smart. Rudolph may be serviceable in the short term, but, since TE typically take some time to percolate, you now have TWO blue chip talents that can fill that void when it inevitably arrives.

Think ahead - that is what you did in your draft, and - I tip my cap. Well done.
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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby hoos89 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:51 am

joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
I think Henderson should be going in the 2nd (although I know his market value is through the roof right now), and I'm guessing someone like Deebo, JJAW or Hollywood was available at 2.1, all of whom I'd prefer over Hardman. I'd give this a B-, with the caveat that it's more like an A- if you can sell Henderson to the Gurley owner at a premium.
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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby briank » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:52 am

joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:17 am
briank wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:05 am
joeday wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
I don't see how people would vote anything but an A...with the picks you had you got some great players. Getting Henderson and Hardman at 1.8 and 2.1 are steals (DH has gone 1.4 and 1.5 in the last two drafts I did, and Hardman never slipped out of the first round). I would like to see who was at 3.1 where you took Irv, but the value was good for him as well.
I disagree that Hardman and Henderson are steals. They may be going higher on average, but I don't want anything to do with either of them at that price. I also think it's impossible to accurately grade someone's draft without seeing every pick and any trades that went down during the draft.
steals compared to where I have seen them go in other drafts*
Yeah, I know what you meant. I just think both of those guys are going way too early in every draft including this one.
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Wilson
RB Mixon/Ja. Williams/Bernard/Davis
WR Thomas/DJ Moore/Robinson/TY/Washington
TE Kelce/Ertz/Cook
Picks 1.03

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Roethlisberger/Fitzpatrick
RB Barkley/Zeke/Mixon/Dillon/Ja. Williams
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Lockett/Cooks/Fuller
TE Kittle/L. Thomas

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Burrow/Dalton
RB Jacobs/Penny/Dillon/Edwards
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Allen/Woods/Boyd
TE Kittle/Henry/Njoku/Irv Smith

12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 11
QB Jackson/Roethlisberger/Brees
RB Da. Johnson/Gurley
WR Adams/Hopkins/Julio/Thielen/Hilton
TE Kelce/Ertz

12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Goff
RB
WR Jefferson/Juju/Sutton/Juedy/DSamuel
TE Kittle/Fant/Njoku
1.01/1.02/1.04/1.06/1.07/1.10, 6 2021 2nds

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby Paul717 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:30 am

I likey. Gave it a "B", but it's possible I'll need to eat my words if these TEs turn into Top 10 guys. Now go update your signature OP!
"Marathon Square" - 16 team full PPR league with 24 player roster. Keep 16 per year indefinitely, draft 8. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 Team DST
QB: Deshaun Watson, Tyrod Taylor
RB: Aaron Jones, J.K. Dobbins, Jalen Richard, Trayveon Williams, Eno Benjamin
WR: Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, Tee Higgins, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Jamison Crowder, Kendrick Bourne, Tyrell Williams, Quintez Cephus, Tyler Johnson, Cam Sims, Quez Watkins
TE: T.J. Hockenson, Cole Kmet, Drew Sample
K: Didn't make 2020 Playoffs. :( No need to hold a kicker during the offseason.
Team DST: Lions, Jets

Picks:
2021: 1, 2, 3, 3.14, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 (League Lottery selections not made yet, will update picks once done)

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby Stevens61310 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:30 am

Truth is no one can rate ANY draft. There are so many variables. My own personal opinion is this is a high "C"/low "B" draft.

Henderson at 1.08 is --in my opinion--way to early. I have a second round grade on him--and nothing has changed. For Henderson to be worth it at 1.08--Gurley has to be almost done--. Is that true--?? Only time will tell. but My opinion is he is not--and Gurley will still get 70%--.

I don't mind Fant at 1.11. I struggle to pick TEs in the first round --but I do like Fant--and I do like where he went--

Hardman--sorry to say is a waste--Three years down the road we will be saying Mecole who?

I like Smith--I do. But taking Fant early makes this a superfluous pick.

This is my opinion--

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Re: Draft Grade?

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:45 am

I think you took Henderson too early but he could have a big role, so like all the picks right now, it's up in the air. I like the TE's you took. Tough to grade a draft but overall I think you took some good upside players.


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