Trade for Courtland Sutton?

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Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby johnnymozart » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:17 pm

PBarber owner inquired about Ronald Jones, he has a number of good young WR's. I took Jones at 1.09 last year but understand he's not at that level anymore. Doesn't mean I think he's trash-- Sutton went 12th in that draft and I passed on Ridley too. Oops. Thoughts on:

Ronald Jones, 2.08, 2020 2nd
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Courtland Sutton

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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby thomasscheeks » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:19 pm

I think you need to be very realistic about Jones' current value. He's looking like a real bust, so going after Sutton for him has a good chance of halting all trade talks.

Tbh it would be hard to give me Jones. I don't want any part of him. If you can get a second from the guy, take it and go home happy.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm

I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby thomasscheeks » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:23 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:39 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby Checker1183 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:40 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
I'm with this. Jones was no show his rookie year and while I think he'll be better, we just don't know. Sutton flashed once DT left, but wasn't what everyone hoped year 1. I would try and cash in on the Jones chatter now before the season starts. While I'm not a big Sutton fan or believer, I think Jones and the 2.08 or the 2020 2nd is a good start since he has Barber. I'm not sure it will get it done and you may need to add both 2nds

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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:42 pm

42/704/4 is not a bad rookie year. Nobody who has Sutton is going to sell for less than they paid for him at this point.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby johnnymozart » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:43 pm

I think Sutton is more like the 1.07 valuation? 1.08? But I would take Rojo in the top 14 in this draft too so it's not Thaaat far off

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QB Lamar Jackson, Russ Wilson, Mills
RB A Gibson, Aaron Jones, Damien Harris, Penny IR, D.Pierce, Haskins
WR ARobinson, KAllen, Mike Evans, Sutton, Amon-Ra, TBoyd, GDavis, Dotson, Pierce
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby jp4703 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:45 pm

Rojo still has a chance. TB hasn't done anything to that backfield and Rojo never really got a real chance last year.

I think with the new coaching staff he'll get a chance to prove himself again.

I think the trade you're sending is fair. If I was short on RB and had WR's to give I'd consider it.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby knotts4372 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
how in the world is sutton worth less now, with this eh draft class, than he was last year? lmfao.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby thomasscheeks » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:00 pm

knotts4372 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
how in the world is sutton worth less now, with this eh draft class, than he was last year? lmfao.
I'm wondering the same thing. lol

Sutton should be valued somewhere around 1.04/1.05
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby Gator Sens » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:13 pm

With the other owner having Barber and asking specifically about Jones, I would add a 2nd to Jones in 2020 and see where that leaves you with Sutton. Not sure it will get the deal done but clearly the other owner wants Jones which helps.

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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:52 pm

knotts4372 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
how in the world is sutton worth less now, with this eh draft class, than he was last year? lmfao.
What was his ADP in rookie drafts last year? I didn't have him in my top 12 rookies.
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Re: Trade for Courtland Sutton?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:00 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:52 pm
knotts4372 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:24 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm I'd say that Sutton = early 2nd, and Jones = mid 2nd. I'd maybe consider Jones + 2.08 for Sutton, but I definitely wouldn't add the 2020 2nd on top of that.
how in the world is sutton worth less now, with this eh draft class, than he was last year? lmfao.
What was his ADP in rookie drafts last year? I didn't have him in my top 12 rookies.
Late 1st. If he was in this draft class he'd probably be more like mid-1st.
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