Golladay

[PhillySpecial]

Any thoughts on Golladay value? I own Cooper, Godwin, Landry and Mike Williams and plan on drafting N’Keal at 1.02. I have a nice WR corp.

I am down on Golladay since he has Patricia and Bevell who are both defensive/run first coaches. They drafted Hock and Jones is back so will Golladay receive less targets but maybe more efficient targets? Golladay is also 25 years old so not as young as expected.

Tell me I am wrong to try and sell Golladay. I was searching for a 2020 1st ++

[Gator Sens]

I would rather move Godwin or Williams or even Harry over Golladay. Golladay broke out in his 2nd season (first full if you factor in an injury plagued rookie year). Jones coming back might eat into his targets but Golladay is the alpha WR in Detroit. Hockenson has all the makings of a solid TE but no one has any idea at this point. If you got a really good package for Golladay and want to move him, go for it. Not sure I see the argument of moving him with your concerns around targets and scheme when Godwin has Evans, Williams has Allen, Landry has Beckham and the Pats spread the ball around more then anyone. Again, I would move one of the others before Golladay or just enjoy the WR depth and options my man!

[Peteey84]

I am down on Golladay since he has Patricia and Bevell who are both defensive/run first coaches. They drafted Hock and Jones is back so will Golladay receive less targets but maybe more efficient targets? Golladay is also 25 years old so not as young as expected.

Tell me I am wrong to try and sell Golladay. I was searching for a 2020 1st ++

I’d rather have Golladay over any of the ones you mentioned expect for maybe Cooper. And 25 isn’t old by any means for a receiver.

[FantasyFoosball]

So yeah. How to explain this. I was higher on Golladay than everyone else at one point, but that point has passed and I am now lower than everyone else. It has nothing to do with my opinion on him changing, my opinion has not been lowered on him at all, the problem is that everyone else's opinion of him has gone into the crazy zone. He's being valued like a top ten WR, and the dude is not a top ten WR.

Golladay played in the MAC, and I graduated from a MAC school. So I watched him play a lot in college. I'm also a Lions fan, so I watch every game he plays in. The dude is talented and he has the opportunity to play and make plays. The problem is that his valuation is crazy high. I think it's probably higher than most of your other WR's.

TL;DR Golladay is being overvalued by the community as a whole. If you can move him for a 2020 1st ++, then I would do it for sure.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

Tell me I am wrong to try and sell Golladay. I was searching for a 2020 1st ++

I wouldn't be too worried about Golladay, but I also would listen to offers. It all depends on what you can get for him.

[PhillySpecial]

I agree with Foosball above. Golladay is already valued as a WR1/WR2 and his numbers 70/1,000/5 are low WR2 numbers. He is valued with 2018 plus potential and I get it. But is potential overly high with Patricia/Bevell and a run first offence? The offence seems archaic and I think Golladay is in a poor situation in Detroit. Is low end WR2 his peak? I want to sell at peak value and I think Golladay may be at peak value.

Gator, nice call on potentially trading another WR before Golladay. Mike Williams stands out as a sell high right now.

Last thought, put Golladay or Mike Williams on trade block?

[thomasscheeks]

You're thinking way too hard about this.

He's 6'4", has a gunslinger for a QB, already put up 1k yards in only his second year, and his team traded away a talented receiver showing they believe in him. Just keep him and let him have a true breakout this year

[smallxl]

You're thinking way too hard about this.

He's 6'4", has a gunslinger for a QB, already put up 1k yards in only his second year, and his team traded away a talented receiver showing they believe in him. Just keep him and let him have a true breakout this year

This is all you need to read. People are missing the boat if they believe Detroit is going to remain archaic. I think Stafford bounces back. Hold Golladay.

[FantasyFoosball]

People have been talking about Stafford "bouncing back" for almost ten years now. He routinely finishes somewhere around the 15-20 ranked fantasy QB. He has one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive line in the NFL. He's never won a playoff game, and has only been to two. The lions have little to no weapons.

I have no problem if someone wants to risk Golladay breaking out and finishing as a top ten WR. Anything is possible. But the odds are not favorable, and if someone is willing to give you a mountain of gold for Golladay, I would take it for sure.

As others have said, Mike Williams is also overvalued, and he is due for some TD regression, so I would look to sell him too, but he doesn't carry anywhere near the insane valuation that Golladay does.

[Dynastydumpsterfire]

I just sold Golladay for an early 20201st 2020 3rd, Enunwa and Allison

[lukkynumber13]

I would rather move Godwin or Williams or even Harry over Golladay. Golladay broke out in his 2nd season (first full if you factor in an injury plagued rookie year). Jones coming back might eat into his targets but Golladay is the alpha WR in Detroit. Hockenson has all the makings of a solid TE but no one has any idea at this point. If you got a really good package for Golladay and want to move him, go for it. Not sure I see the argument of moving him with your concerns around targets and scheme when Godwin has Evans, Williams has Allen, Landry has Beckham and the Pats spread the ball around more then anyone. Again, I would move one of the others before Golladay or just enjoy the WR depth and options my man!

Very well said.

I agree with all of this.

[thomasscheeks]

People have been talking about Stafford "bouncing back" for almost ten years now. He routinely finishes somewhere around the 15-20 ranked fantasy QB. He has one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive line in the NFL. He's never won a playoff game, and has only been to two. The lions have little to no weapons.

I have no problem if someone wants to risk Golladay breaking out and finishing as a top ten WR. Anything is possible. But the odds are not favorable, and if someone is willing to give you a mountain of gold for Golladay, I would take it for sure.

As others have said, Mike Williams is also overvalued, and he is due for some TD regression, so I would look to sell him too, but he doesn't carry anywhere near the insane valuation that Golladay does.

I believe people are referring to bouncing back from his first sub-4k yard season since 2010. He regularly throws for over 4k yards, thus easily supporting two 1k yard receivers. Last year was a down year, so he can easily bounce back and vault Golladay into the low WR1 or high WR2 range. I don't think anyone is saying he's randomly gonna become an elite QB, but he can definitely make Golladay a very nice dynasty asset.

[Johnny Canuck]

People have been talking about Stafford "bouncing back" for almost ten years now. He routinely finishes somewhere around the 15-20 ranked fantasy QB. He has one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive line in the NFL. He's never won a playoff game, and has only been to two. The lions have little to no weapons.

I have no problem if someone wants to risk Golladay breaking out and finishing as a top ten WR. Anything is possible. But the odds are not favorable, and if someone is willing to give you a mountain of gold for Golladay, I would take it for sure.

As others have said, Mike Williams is also overvalued, and he is due for some TD regression, so I would look to sell him too, but he doesn't carry anywhere near the insane valuation that Golladay does.

I believe people are referring to bouncing back from his first sub-4k yard season since 2010. He regularly throws for over 4k yards, thus easily supporting two 1k yard receivers. Last year was a down year, so he can easily bounce back and vault Golladay into the low WR1 or high WR2 range. I don't think anyone is saying he's randomly gonna become an elite QB, but he can definitely make Golladay a very nice dynasty asset.

The bolded is not entirely true.

Since 2011, Stafford has only produced two 1k yardage WRs a total of twice in eight seasons (2014 & 2017 - 2/8 seasons), AND 2017 just barley counts as Tate only got 1003 yards.

Also, if Bevell truly runs the offense his way, things are likely going to be quite different then they have been in the past for Stafford and the other receiving weapons (than historical norms - but in a bad way).

Stafford has only produced two 1k WRs 2/8 yrs, and that was while being in the top 10 for passing attempts in 7/8 seasons, and throwing an avg of 631 pass atts per season.

With teams Bevell has OC'd, he has been in the bottom half of the league for passing attempts in 10/12 seasons (bottom 16), he's been in the bottom 25 for pass attempts 8/12 seasons. His offenses average 490 pass atts per season. The most Bevell has had a QB throw the ball in one single season was 555 times - coincidentally, this is also the lowest number of pass atts that Stafford has every thrown in a single season (last yr).

To put more fuel on the fire, Bevell has only ever produced a 1K WR three times in his 12 yrs as an OC, and has never produced a season with two 1K yardage WRs.

Maybe old dogs can be taught new tricks, but I'd guess that the lions are going to go the way of the seahawks and run run run. IF Golladay is going to breakout, he's going to need to be hyper efficient just like Lockett was last yr, but I don't think Stafford has the same quality deep ball as Wilson.

I'd be selling Golladay for sure. I like him, but not with Bevell as an OC, and Patricia as HC.

Now is peak value.

[PhillySpecial]

I started this post and agree with Jonny Canuck. He is at peak value and I don’t think he will ever be more than a bottom WR2. Sell now to cash out realize a gain moving forward.

[ChefHerbie]

The Bevell aspect is being very, very overblown. Seattle threw the ball more YoY every single year under Bevell after Wilson was acquired. By his final year in Seattle, they finished 16th in the NFL in pass attempts, a whopping 15 away from being T10.

If you assume Bevell had been there last year and that trend continued, SEA likely would’ve finished 14th in pass attempts. I’m certainly not comparing Golladay to the alluded to WRs on these teams, but that’s more attempts than: LAR, CIN, NO, LAC, and HOU. There are some pretty big names on those teams that manage to be fantasy relevant to say the least, with less attempts than what we can expect under Bevell.