Curtis Samuel value?

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Curtis Samuel value?

Postby kiszl » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:07 pm

Just got asked what I want for him. Was thinking a 2020 second would be a nice haul. Open to suggestions
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby Gator Sens » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:13 pm

I would value him with a 2nd in 2020 as well. He is an intriguing player but I don't think he will ever get enough touches to be a super helpful player fantasy wise.

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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby fraction » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:18 pm

I traded Samuel last night for the 2019 2.02. Took AJ Brown
Team 1: 0.5 PPR, TE Premium (1 PPR), QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex

QB: Watson, Stafford
RB: Barkley, Henry, Dobbins, Fournette, J. White, Richard
WR: M. Thomas, AJ Brown, McLaurin, Juju, Sutton, G. Davis, Mooney, Edwards
TE: Higbee, Tonyan, Njoku, Moreau

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QB: Wilson, Prescott, Mayfield, FitzMagic
RB: Chubb, Jones, Robinson, Mostert, Carson, Ballage, Samuels
WR: Allen, ARob, DJ Moore, Sutton, OBJ, AB, Pascal
TE: Higbee, Hurst, Njoku

Team 3: PPR, TE Premium (1.5 PPR), QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3 Flex, 1SF

QB: Prescott, J. Allen, Ryan,
RB: Barkley, Zeke, Mostert, Penny, Pollard, Boone
WR: Godwin, Kirk, Hollywood, Slayton, G.Davis,
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:19 pm

kiszl wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:07 pm Was thinking a 2020 second would be a nice haul.
Seems about right, though I'd rather sell DJ Moore for a 1st. I don't see a huge difference between the two CAR WRs, but for some reason Moore is valued significantly higher.
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby MontrealBen » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:24 pm

fraction wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:18 pm I traded Samuel last night for the 2019 2.02. Took AJ Brown
The AJ Brown hate has gone too far. Maybe this is rookie fever, but I like that deal for you.

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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby fraction » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:27 pm

MontrealBen wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:24 pm
fraction wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:18 pm I traded Samuel last night for the 2019 2.02. Took AJ Brown
The AJ Brown hate has gone too far. Maybe this is rookie fever, but I like that deal for you.
Agreed. I had the 2.01 from a previous trade as well. So I took a Samuel (Deebo) to replace one.
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QB: Watson, Stafford
RB: Barkley, Henry, Dobbins, Fournette, J. White, Richard
WR: M. Thomas, AJ Brown, McLaurin, Juju, Sutton, G. Davis, Mooney, Edwards
TE: Higbee, Tonyan, Njoku, Moreau

Team 2: 0.5 PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3 Flex, 1SF

QB: Wilson, Prescott, Mayfield, FitzMagic
RB: Chubb, Jones, Robinson, Mostert, Carson, Ballage, Samuels
WR: Allen, ARob, DJ Moore, Sutton, OBJ, AB, Pascal
TE: Higbee, Hurst, Njoku

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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby kiszl » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:27 pm

Thanks for the help everyone. Feel good about my asking price after reading these responses.
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Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk, Courtland Sutton, D.J Moore, Tyler Boyd, Terrace Marshall, TY Hilton, Allen Lazard, Mike Williams, Tim Patrick
Dalvin Cook, Ezekiel Elliott, Cam Akers, Najee Harris, Raheem Mostert, Philip Lindsay, AJ Dillon, Zack Moss
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby FuzzySignificance » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:28 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:19 pm
kiszl wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:07 pm Was thinking a 2020 second would be a nice haul.
Seems about right, though I'd rather sell DJ Moore for a 1st. I don't see a huge difference between the two CAR WRs, but for some reason Moore is valued significantly higher.
this. start ups too, I pass on moore all day in the fourth and snag all of the samuel I can in the 11th/12th
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby megager » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:32 am

I think a 2020 second is fair if early and if you are not high on him I'd be happy to get that. I think that is his value right now.

Believe it or not I paid two seconds for him recently. A 2020 and 2021. Hopefully neither too early, though one never knows. Granted I realise it's an overpay but I have been trying to buy him all off-season as I think there is potential for a third year breakout and he could cost a lot more next year. It could be a case of magic beans however. He is someone I am very high on and if you have those guys sometimes you have to pay up. Of course this time next year I could be sitting here with egg on my face.

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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby bob2643 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:36 am

2nd is current market price, but I personally think he ascends to late 1st during the season.

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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby abloom » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:40 am

Unless you need to make roster space, i'd rather keep him and let him play the year, then trade him based on that value during the off season.
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:08 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:19 pm
kiszl wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:07 pm Was thinking a 2020 second would be a nice haul.
Seems about right, though I'd rather sell DJ Moore for a 1st. I don't see a huge difference between the two CAR WRs, but for some reason Moore is valued significantly higher.
Moore went in the first round of the draft as the first WR off the board; Samuel went in the 2nd and was the 5th WR taken. Moore had a much, much, much better rookie campaign. He had 920 yards from scrimmage last season, whereas Samuel has 757 in two seasons. Moore was 4th in the NFL (and 1st among WRs) in YAC per reception...Samuel was outside the top 100.

DJ Moore was 97th percentile in college dominator and 98th in breakout age. Samuel was 48th and 62nd. Moore's 94th in burst score, 74th in agility score and 89th in catch radius versus 58th, 27th and 52nd for Samuel. The one thing Samuel really has over Moore is 40 time.
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Re: Curtis Samuel value?

Postby keebs3 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:36 pm

All the owners that have him in my leagues won't sell him for less than a 1st. Seems that those who have him are believers at this point.
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