D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

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Where’s the higher value

J. Jones/M. Mack
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D. Hopkins
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed May 22, 2019 10:07 am

abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 am
killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 am
let's settle for "less far"?
That's just another phrase for closer. Glad to see you agree with me.
right then. you are technically correct, it makes it "closer".
however, the distance between the two options is so big, that the amount of "closerness" is several orders of magnitude smaller, and hence irrelevant.

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby abloom » Wed May 22, 2019 10:15 am

killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:07 am
abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 am
killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 am
let's settle for "less far"?
That's just another phrase for closer. Glad to see you agree with me.
right then. you are technically correct, it makes it "closer".
however, the distance between the two options is so big, that the amount of "closerness" is several orders of magnitude smaller, and hence irrelevant.
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed May 22, 2019 10:26 am

even when irrelevant? if it makes you happy :thumbup:

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby BeeziBad » Wed May 22, 2019 10:32 am

People would laugh at this post in 3 years when both are out of the league and Hopkins and Watson are still tearing it up
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed May 22, 2019 11:04 am

BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:32 am People would laugh at this post in 3 years when both are out of the league and Hopkins and Watson are still tearing it up
What if Julio + Mack are key ingredients to 2 championships in the meantime? Will you still be laughing?
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 11:06 am

BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:32 am People would laugh at this post in 3 years when both are out of the league and Hopkins and Watson are still tearing it up
Mack would still be playing as well, I don't see him retiring next year
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby BeeziBad » Wed May 22, 2019 11:10 am

jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 11:06 am
BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:32 am People would laugh at this post in 3 years when both are out of the league and Hopkins and Watson are still tearing it up
Mack would still be playing as well, I don't see him retiring next year
Is retiring the only way for a rb to no longer be significant in the league?
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 11:11 am

BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 11:10 am
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 11:06 am
BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:32 am People would laugh at this post in 3 years when both are out of the league and Hopkins and Watson are still tearing it up
Mack would still be playing as well, I don't see him retiring next year
Is retiring the only way for a rb to no longer be significant in the league?
No, but I see him staying the starter for longer than you apparently lol.
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 pm

Also everyone who says Hop by a mile if you look at trade analyzers they all say it's Mack & Julio are worth more and the analyzer is set for PPR, in Non-PPR Mack should be worth more.
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed May 22, 2019 2:04 pm

jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 pm Also everyone who says Hop by a mile if you look at trade analyzers they all say it's Mack & Julio are worth more and the analyzer is set for PPR, in Non-PPR Mack should be worth more.
You actually use these? lol
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QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

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RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:08 pm

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:04 pm
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 pm Also everyone who says Hop by a mile if you look at trade analyzers they all say it's Mack & Julio are worth more and the analyzer is set for PPR, in Non-PPR Mack should be worth more.
You actually use these? lol
I don't only go off of those sites, but gives me a guideline and normally a starting point. I also use Fantasy pros etc, my point is that I feel you all over value Hop to the point that it's ridiculous. It's a non-ppr and everyone is saying Hop by a mile forgetting that this trade has a RB2 in it as well plus Julio is still a top 5 WR. Finally the league is a non-ppr and you all are still crying Hop by a mile. So if you want to laugh cause I use other things than what everyone states sure, but if you use the tools that I just stated you would see that you guys overvalue Hop.
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RB: J.Taylor, T.Etienne, N.Harris, J.Conner, Z.Charbonnet, K.Miller, D.Johnson, D.Vaugn
WR: C.Kupp, J.Waddle, DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, J.Reed, Z.Flowers, Jameson, J.Dotson
TE: S.LaPorta, D.Kincaid, T.Kraft
K: J. Tucker
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed May 22, 2019 2:15 pm

jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:08 pm
thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:04 pm
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 pm Also everyone who says Hop by a mile if you look at trade analyzers they all say it's Mack & Julio are worth more and the analyzer is set for PPR, in Non-PPR Mack should be worth more.
You actually use these? lol
I don't only go off of those sites, but gives me a guideline and normally a starting point. I also use Fantasy pros etc, my point is that I feel you all over value Hop to the point that it's ridiculous. It's a non-ppr and everyone is saying Hop by a mile forgetting that this trade has a RB2 in it as well plus Julio is still a top 5 WR. Finally the league is a non-ppr and you all are still crying Hop by a mile. So if you want to laugh cause I use other things than what everyone states sure, but if you use the tools that I just stated you would see that you guys overvalue Hop.
Hopkins has just entered his prime.

Julio is nearing the age where receivers start declining.

Mack is a fourth round pick that has already dealt with some injuries. If he continues to deal with injuries this year, they can easily draft his replacement in next year's loaded crop.

This is Hopkins easily...
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QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

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QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:18 pm

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:15 pm
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:08 pm
thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:04 pm

You actually use these? lol
I don't only go off of those sites, but gives me a guideline and normally a starting point. I also use Fantasy pros etc, my point is that I feel you all over value Hop to the point that it's ridiculous. It's a non-ppr and everyone is saying Hop by a mile forgetting that this trade has a RB2 in it as well plus Julio is still a top 5 WR. Finally the league is a non-ppr and you all are still crying Hop by a mile. So if you want to laugh cause I use other things than what everyone states sure, but if you use the tools that I just stated you would see that you guys overvalue Hop.
Hopkins has just entered his prime.

Julio is nearing the age where receivers start declining.

Mack is a fourth round pick that has already dealt with some injuries. If he continues to deal with injuries this year, they can easily draft his replacement in next year's loaded crop.

This is Hopkins easily...
Any player can get injured so there is that Hop could go down tomorrow and this would be a steal, Julio is still a top 5 WR you can't ignore that and will be for at least another 2-3 yrs. Mack took that backfield last year over and if they wanted to replace him they would've drafted this year for him or signed a FA as everyone thought all off season, as of now there isn't a soul to challenge him for that starting spot. Also Mack played just fine after he came back so you can't say he's worthless. So I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound since you're not looking at everything.
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QB: J.Allen, T.Tagovailoa
RB: J.Taylor, T.Etienne, N.Harris, J.Conner, Z.Charbonnet, K.Miller, D.Johnson, D.Vaugn
WR: C.Kupp, J.Waddle, DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, J.Reed, Z.Flowers, Jameson, J.Dotson
TE: S.LaPorta, D.Kincaid, T.Kraft
K: J. Tucker
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed May 22, 2019 2:23 pm

jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:18 pm Any player can get injured so there is that Hop could go down tomorrow and this would be a steal, Julio is still a top 5 WR you can't ignore that and will be for at least another 2-3 yrs. Mack took that backfield last year over and if they wanted to replace him they would've drafted this year for him or signed a FA as everyone thought all off season, as of now there isn't a soul to challenge him for that starting spot. Also Mack played just fine after he came back so you can't say he's worthless. So I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound since you're not looking at everything.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you've never owned Hopkins. lol
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QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:34 pm

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:23 pm
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:18 pm Any player can get injured so there is that Hop could go down tomorrow and this would be a steal, Julio is still a top 5 WR you can't ignore that and will be for at least another 2-3 yrs. Mack took that backfield last year over and if they wanted to replace him they would've drafted this year for him or signed a FA as everyone thought all off season, as of now there isn't a soul to challenge him for that starting spot. Also Mack played just fine after he came back so you can't say he's worthless. So I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound since you're not looking at everything.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you've never owned Hopkins. lol
I'm going to assume you've never won a championship while owning Hop lol. Only thing I am trying to get across is that the value is closer than what everyone is saying, if the Julio side needs to add it's only by a 2nd or 3rd. Not a mile or super unfair. That's all
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QB: J.Allen, T.Tagovailoa
RB: J.Taylor, T.Etienne, N.Harris, J.Conner, Z.Charbonnet, K.Miller, D.Johnson, D.Vaugn
WR: C.Kupp, J.Waddle, DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, J.Reed, Z.Flowers, Jameson, J.Dotson
TE: S.LaPorta, D.Kincaid, T.Kraft
K: J. Tucker
DEF: BAL,

IR: J.K. Dobbins
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