D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

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Where’s the higher value

J. Jones/M. Mack
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D. Hopkins
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D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby BeeziBad » Tue May 21, 2019 11:15 pm

Which side holds more value. Not for any sig team.
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RB - J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, C. Akers, Z. Moss, R. Jones, R. Armstead, M. Davis, C. Edmonds
WR - J. Jeudy, H. Ruggs, T. Higgins, L. Shenault, C. Claypool, J. Reagor, C. Davis, J. Washington, B. Aiyuk, Q. Cephus, KJ Hamler, A. Lazard
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RB - S. Barkley, E. Elliott, JK Dobbins, A. Peterson, M. Breida, D. Freeman
WR - T. Hill. AJ Brown, DJ Moore, J. Jefferson, J. Edelman, B. Aiyuk, L. Shenault, JJAW, B. Edwards
TE - Z. Ertz, H. Hurst, J. Smith

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QB - S. Darnold, R. Tannehill, C. Newton
RB - E. Elliott, N. Chubb, D. Cook, R. Jones, A. Peterson
WR - T. Hill, O. Beckham, D. Metcalf, C. Davis, H. Renfrow, R. Cobb
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby Gator Sens » Wed May 22, 2019 4:05 am

Hopkins for me. Julio is getting a bit older and his value is already dropping despite being the #1 WR in fantasy last year and Mack COULD only have value for a couple years. Hopkins value is not changing anytime soon.

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 am

Call me crazy, but I could see taking Julio + Mack for a contending team, especially in non-PPR. Seems pretty even to me. Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many Julio owners would even be willing to add more than that for Hopkins.
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby thomasscheeks » Wed May 22, 2019 7:41 am

This is Hopkins in any format, any situation. But in a ten man? This is Hopkins by a few hundred miles. Terrible offer
10 Man IDP, .75 ppr, Big Play Bonus, TE Prem, 2 QB, 1-3 RB, 2-4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 4 DB, 34 Keepers (17 off - 17 IDP)
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Tannehill, Fitzmagic
RB: Jacobs, Javonte, Drake, Mack
WR: Thomas, DJ Moore, Mike Williams, Golladay, Mooney, Kirk, Shepard, Parker
TE: Kittle, Ito Smith, Ebron, Bryant, Seals-Jones
DT: Simmons, Cox, Oliver, Vea
DL: Bosa, Hunter, Heyward, Greenard, Odeyingbo
LB: Watt, White, Cunningham, Kirksey
DB: Collins, Duggar, J Reid, Clark, Edmunds

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Tua, Jameis, Cam, Taysom
RB: Taylor, Javonte, CEH
WR: Jefferson, Nuk, Diontae, Juju, Shepard, Mooney, Robby Anderson
TE: Henry, Gesicki, Brevin, Cook

12 Man, 1 ppr, 1 QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, 1 TE
QB: Russ, Matty Ice, Tannehill
RB: CMC, Dobbins, Sanders. Scott, Mack
WR: Nuk, Keenan, Mooney, Patrick, Collins, Dyami
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby abloom » Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 am

In a non-PPR I can see it being closer... in a 10 team however its Nuk
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

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14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby Dizzle » Wed May 22, 2019 8:00 am

10 team league is all about the studs. Nuk is the only stud in that deal. Nuk wins by a mile.

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed May 22, 2019 8:02 am

abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 am In a non-PPR I can see it being closer...
no.

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby abloom » Wed May 22, 2019 8:26 am

killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:02 am
abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 am In a non-PPR I can see it being closer...
no.
yes.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Team #5 4th
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 am

abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:26 am
killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:02 am
abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 am In a non-PPR I can see it being closer...
no.
yes.
let's settle for "less far"?

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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby abloom » Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 am

killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 am
abloom wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:26 am
killer_of_giants wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:02 am

no.
yes.
let's settle for "less far"?
That's just another phrase for closer. Glad to see you agree with me.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby jab3120 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:07 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 am Call me crazy, but I could see taking Julio + Mack for a contending team, especially in non-PPR. Seems pretty even to me. Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many Julio owners would even be willing to add more than that for Hopkins.
I actually can agree with this, Julio is a top 5 WR but aging sure in 2-3 years you can find a replacement. Mack is upcoming and has plenty of potential. So a starting RB and a top 5 WR for Hop in Non-PPR, I say it's pretty close if not right on.
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RB: J.Taylor, T.Etienne, N.Harris, J.Conner, Z.Charbonnet, K.Miller, D.Johnson, D.Vaugn
WR: C.Kupp, J.Waddle, DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, J.Reed, Z.Flowers, Jameson, J.Dotson
TE: S.LaPorta, D.Kincaid, T.Kraft
K: J. Tucker
DEF: BAL,

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IR: E.Hull
IR: K.Mitchell
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby BeeziBad » Wed May 22, 2019 9:15 am

jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:07 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 am Call me crazy, but I could see taking Julio + Mack for a contending team, especially in non-PPR. Seems pretty even to me. Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many Julio owners would even be willing to add more than that for Hopkins.
I actually can agree with this, Julio is a top 5 WR but aging sure in 2-3 years you can find a replacement. Mack is upcoming and has plenty of potential. So a starting RB and a top 5 WR for Hop in Non-PPR, I say it's pretty close if not right on.
You’re nuts to think mack is ‘the man’ in that backfield. I may hold on to it this year but not very tight. A qb of lucks caliber deserves a stud and Mack is far from a stud. He’ll be gone before Julio. And obviously julio is short on time. Hop by a mile.
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WR - J. Jeudy, H. Ruggs, T. Higgins, L. Shenault, C. Claypool, J. Reagor, C. Davis, J. Washington, B. Aiyuk, Q. Cephus, KJ Hamler, A. Lazard
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RB - S. Barkley, E. Elliott, JK Dobbins, A. Peterson, M. Breida, D. Freeman
WR - T. Hill. AJ Brown, DJ Moore, J. Jefferson, J. Edelman, B. Aiyuk, L. Shenault, JJAW, B. Edwards
TE - Z. Ertz, H. Hurst, J. Smith

SuperSonics - 10Team - 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX/1K - .5 PPR
QB - S. Darnold, R. Tannehill, C. Newton
RB - E. Elliott, N. Chubb, D. Cook, R. Jones, A. Peterson
WR - T. Hill, O. Beckham, D. Metcalf, C. Davis, H. Renfrow, R. Cobb
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed May 22, 2019 9:16 am

BeeziBad wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:15 am
jab3120 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:07 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 am Call me crazy, but I could see taking Julio + Mack for a contending team, especially in non-PPR. Seems pretty even to me. Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many Julio owners would even be willing to add more than that for Hopkins.
I actually can agree with this, Julio is a top 5 WR but aging sure in 2-3 years you can find a replacement. Mack is upcoming and has plenty of potential. So a starting RB and a top 5 WR for Hop in Non-PPR, I say it's pretty close if not right on.
You’re nuts to think mack is ‘the man’ in that backfield. I may hold on to it this year but not very tight. A qb of lucks caliber deserves a stud and Mack is far from a stud. He’ll be gone before Julio. And obviously julio is short on time. Hop by a mile.
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby TroyH » Wed May 22, 2019 9:35 am

thomasscheeks wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:41 am This is Hopkins in any format, any situation. But in a ten man? This is Hopkins by a few hundred miles. Terrible offer
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Re: D. Hopkins for J. Jones/M. Mack

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:52 am

I'm in the minority on this one.

For contending teams: Can't see them giving up Mack just to get a few years younger at WR. I think Julio can keep pace with Hopkins (and perhaps even outscore him) for the next few years. And Mack is likely penciled in on a lot of competing teams as a solid RB #2.

For rebuilding teams: You shouldn't really be consolidating assets in a rebuild, at least when those assets hold strong stand-alone value. For instance, I'd rather trade Julio for (2) 2020 1sts, and trade Mack for a 2020 1st and 2nd. To a rebuilding team, I think those picks would be more valuable in the long-haul than concentrating all that capital into 1 asset like Nuk.
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