Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

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Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby heyfeefellskee » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:19 am

I hold the 1.01 in a 16-team superflex. It was acquired via trade early last offseason.

My plan was to hold the pick until the NFL draft at the very least--I am actually higher on this class than many people--but I recently received an offer that piqued my interest:

Give: 1.01
Get: Jimmy Garoppolo

For context, this league values QBs *very* highly, even for superflex. In addition, Jimmy G would actually become the 4th QB on my current team. My gut reaction to looking at this trade last night was to lean Jimmy G, thinking he would be a bit easier to move since he would be immune to bad landing spots. However, after showing the trade to a few folks, I was surprised to see several people expressing they would rather take a shot on Kyler Murray. Looking at ADP, it appears that the community at large is lower on him: going into last season, Jimmy G was being drafted as the QB7. Currently, his ADP is QB16.

Am I too hyped up on the combine to pull the trigger? Should I tread carefully with Jimmy GQ?

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Grimmer » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:38 am

At this point I’d spin it that both players are unknowns who will start, but Murray is younger, healthier, & has higher draft capital (I know this isn’t too relevant with Jimmy G, but it could allow to get something on top if you decide it is worth it. You’ll probably get more offers as the draft approaches. It’s rare a team moves on from a 1st round QB after 1 year in order to take another (unless it’s cleveland who missed so many times)
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QB ARod, Stroud, JimmyG, Zach Wilson, Huntley, Stidham, Tune
RB Pollard, AJones, Singletary, Hubbard, Zamir, Knight, Deuce, Gray, Rodriguez, Prince
WR JJ, Cooper, Aiyuk, Cooks, Parker, Tyquan, Shaheed, C.Jones
TE Knox, Hurst, Tonyan, Moreau, Kraft, Mallory
DST DAL
K Tucker
2024 picks: 1, 3, 4
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2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex-1LB-1DB
Ppr, .2pt per rush, .5per comp, 1pt/10 ret yd

QB Fields, Tua, Geno, Ridder, Brissett, Stidham, Tune
RB JT, Hall, Javonte, Conner, Allgeier, Prince
WR Jeudy, Lockett, Olave, Cooks, Bateman, Meyers, Shaheed, Dotson, Doubs, Q.Johnson, Mooney, Dell, C.Jones
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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby BigBawseRoss » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:57 am

theres no way in hell im paying 1.01 for a dude with 9 career games as a starter and a 12-8 td to int ratio and whos only weapon is george kittle. i just dont get the sensation with this guy

def not doing it to have him sit as my QB4. If you know someon else is real high on him and can work a better deal than the 1..01 i get that logic but make sure you are certain.
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J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
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qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Favrezilla » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 am

I would probably want a significant piece back or 1.2-1.4 back as well.

QBs are worth so much in SFlex that giving up potentially a stud for a mid-low end QB in JG isn't worth it. I'd rather hold out for a better offer/QB or more in the package
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (13th year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford,
RB: Mixon, Henry, zeke, Rochon
WR: Godwin, Olave, Deebo,DJM, Dell, MW, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Musgrave

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (10th year)
QB: Burrow, Baker,Jameis, jimmy, Wentz,
RB: Saquon, Mixon, Rochon, Evans
WR: Pickens, QJ, Thielen, Arob, Juju, ODB, D. Parker, Osborn,
TE: Kincaid, Ertz, Freirmuth, Taysom, JWoods

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (3rd year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Winston, Darnald
RB: JT, Javonte,Sanders, JCook, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Waddle, ARSB, Pittman, MW, Jameson, Zay, Claypool, Toney, Terrance
TE: Hock, Fant, McBride

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby heyfeefellskee » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:14 am

Favrezilla wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 am I would probably want a significant piece back or 1.2-1.4 back as well.

QBs are worth so much in SFlex that giving up potentially a stud for a mid-low end QB in JG isn't worth it. I'd rather hold out for a better offer/QB or more in the package
I'm a little stunned by the responses so far, especially this comment.

1.02 + Jimmy G for 1.01?

When did everyone suddenly start treating Kyler Murray as a stud? I'm pretty sure he would be QB4 at best if we had last year's QBs in this class.

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Gator Sens » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:30 am

Based on other SF posts, this seems like a close deal. Jimmy is a little bit of an unknown though. I would probably look for a different QB for that price or hold until post NFL draft as you will likely get more value then.

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby moishetreats » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:45 am

Wow. I'm shocked.

IMO, Jimmy G > 1.01 in a 10-team SF league let alone a 16-team SF league.

That being said, I'll acknowledge the following: Someone will almost always grossly overpay for pick 1.01 come draft time. So, if you hold the pick, it is because you don't want to trade away the opportunity cost to get something better. On the other hand, perfect, as they say, is often the enemy of the good.

This is a d*mn good trade for you. Unless you are 80%+ sure that you will get something better at draft time, I would gladly take Jimmy G here.
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RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

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2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Favrezilla » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:29 am

heyfeefellskee wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:14 am
Favrezilla wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 am I would probably want a significant piece back or 1.2-1.4 back as well.

QBs are worth so much in SFlex that giving up potentially a stud for a mid-low end QB in JG isn't worth it. I'd rather hold out for a better offer/QB or more in the package
I'm a little stunned by the responses so far, especially this comment.

1.02 + Jimmy G for 1.01?

When did everyone suddenly start treating Kyler Murray as a stud? I'm pretty sure he would be QB4 at best if we had last year's QBs in this class.
he might be! i personally wouldnt make this trade until after the NFL draft, BUT if Kyler Murray goes 1.1 to Kingsburry it would really hard to pass that up.

my concerns were that he was 5'8"....hes not. he is still short and that is concerning but im i also fairly unimpressed wiht JG so you are taking a chance on either realistically.

how is JG anything BUT a lower-end QB in any format? was his 12:8 TD/INT in SF very impressive?? no. even on this site hes the 12th ranked QB which i feel is generous but who knows, there are questions on either...id ask for more than JG.
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QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford,
RB: Mixon, Henry, zeke, Rochon
WR: Godwin, Olave, Deebo,DJM, Dell, MW, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Musgrave

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (10th year)
QB: Burrow, Baker,Jameis, jimmy, Wentz,
RB: Saquon, Mixon, Rochon, Evans
WR: Pickens, QJ, Thielen, Arob, Juju, ODB, D. Parker, Osborn,
TE: Kincaid, Ertz, Freirmuth, Taysom, JWoods

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (3rd year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Winston, Darnald
RB: JT, Javonte,Sanders, JCook, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Waddle, ARSB, Pittman, MW, Jameson, Zay, Claypool, Toney, Terrance
TE: Hock, Fant, McBride

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby heyfeefellskee » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:52 am

Favrezilla wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:29 am
heyfeefellskee wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:14 am
Favrezilla wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 am I would probably want a significant piece back or 1.2-1.4 back as well.

QBs are worth so much in SFlex that giving up potentially a stud for a mid-low end QB in JG isn't worth it. I'd rather hold out for a better offer/QB or more in the package
I'm a little stunned by the responses so far, especially this comment.

1.02 + Jimmy G for 1.01?

When did everyone suddenly start treating Kyler Murray as a stud? I'm pretty sure he would be QB4 at best if we had last year's QBs in this class.
he might be! i personally wouldnt make this trade until after the NFL draft, BUT if Kyler Murray goes 1.1 to Kingsburry it would really hard to pass that up.

my concerns were that he was 5'8"....hes not. he is still short and that is concerning but im i also fairly unimpressed wiht JG so you are taking a chance on either realistically.

how is JG anything BUT a lower-end QB in any format? was his 12:8 TD/INT in SF very impressive?? no. even on this site hes the 12th ranked QB which i feel is generous but who knows, there are questions on either...id ask for more than JG.
How is Kyler Murray anything MORE than the 12th ranked QB at this point?

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:05 am

Garoppolo >= 1.01 in a 10 or 12-team superflex
Garoppolo >>> 1.01 in a 16-team superflex

The only reason not to take this deal is if you absolutely love Kyler Murray and are rebuilding / have no shot at contending in 2019.
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WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Goddard » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:09 am

I'd rather have JG. I don't think there's a QB in this class that's better, and not only is this a SF but it's got 16 teams, making the position extremely valuable. I don't really understand some of the other posts, but unless someone is really high on Murray or Haskins and is taking them over Jimmy (which I'm not...and I'm not even that high on Jimmy), give me JG very easily.

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Elroypedro » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:38 am

Jimmy G is a solid offer for the 1.01. Very solid. No problem taking it.

But the 1.01 should only increase in price after the NFL Draft and beyond. Maybe you can get more by waiting?
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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby wiseguy87xy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:41 am

I am a pretty big Jimmy G fan and i love Jimmy G as much as the next guy but tbh I would much rather wait until the draft gets closer. I currently would prefer Jimmy G to the 1.01 but the price on the 1.01 will only go up from here on out. I would hold it for now unless I got a clear overpay for it. You may be able to get Jimmy G+ if you wait.
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RB: Saquon Barkley, Dalvin Cook, Leonard Fournette, Jalen Richard, Frank Gore

WR: Odell Beckham JR, Deebo Samuel, Anthony Miller, Taylor Gabriel, Ted Ginn JR, Keith Kirkwood, Cordarrelle Patterson, Maurice Harris

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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby abloom » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:48 am

I'd make the deal. I like Jimmy over any other qb in this class and really in a 16 team SF you should be drafting a QB or trading down.

Having 4 startable QBs is great in sf

Also if you don't love Jimmy during the season trade him then when he has games under his belt.
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Re: Moving the 1.01: post-combine hype or sober hesitancy

Postby Titans95 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:50 am

Where's the Jimmy G love? He's got a QB whisperer in his corner, very young and has a really solid skill set. No his TD totals didn't blow us out the water but he went 5-0 as a starter with terrible offensive weapons. Ole Shannahan will make him a stud in no time.


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