Jarvis or 1.6+

[Jigga94]

Surprised to see Landry in a landslide. Baker spreads it around a ton, Landry was pretty inconsistent this year, inconsistent usage, had 4 OT games to pad his stats and yet sitting at WR21 in PPR, WR27 PPG. To me his value is way down given all this and I wasn’t paying 1.6 for him last year. I really don’t see how he’s worth it+ now (even given the supposed “weak” 2019 class). I’d be very happy to move him for a mid 1, but doubt I could get it for him. The picks will gain value this offseason, I doubt Landry will.

I agree that Baker spreads it around a lot and that offense is evolving. However, it still has a good amount of growth potential. Having said that, I think most are betting that it is simply a down year for Landry. Sure I wouldn't expect a top 10 year in PPR for him or to see the amount of short targets like he did in MIA. I do think he could easily hit top 15-20 next year with a full off-season with Cleveland and the coaches they find. Hopefully he isn't solely used on slants and underneath routes like he was in MIA. He's a good receiver that will get the damn ball

The 1.06 on the other hand in this draft is a risky bet. Good luck finding a guy who has consistently been top 20ish even in mediocre offenses.

Edit: you bring up Landry's 4 OT periods. I am not aware but did he actually do well in those 4 OTs to pad his stats? Honestly curious as I'm not sure the best way to go about looking for those stats

[jwconnel]

Another Landry vote here. I'm hoping him and Baker continue to grow and his role improves this offseason also.

[The.Big.Spank]

To me it depends on your team (rebuild/contender). I think this is a deep draft with a half dozen WR. Just because there is no Juilo/Calvin that is 6'4 and runs/moves like he is 5'10" does not mean this is a weak draft.

Landry reminds me of Golden Tate in Detroit. I too think this was an off year in a new offense that did not use him correctly. I compare Landry to Tate not only because of their type of game, but their consistency. Not every starter can be a stud, so its nice to have that guy that consistently give you double digit points and a surprise touchdown here and there.

If I am in a rebuild, the picks, and if I am making a push, I would love to have Landry in my flex or WR2 for the next five years with what I think is a great young qb throwing him the ball.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'm one of the biggest Landry haters around, so I wouldn't give 1.06 alone for him. He was hugely dependent on a high volume of short targets from Tannehill in MIA. We've seen that even with a high target share in a functional CLE offense, he hasn't been productive because his niche is being a slot WR as an outlet target for dumpoffs. Even then, Mayfield is mobile enough to not check it down all the time. That said, if you think you can sell Landry for more to another team in the league, then I'd consider it.

[The.Big.Spank]

I'm one of the biggest Landry haters around, so I wouldn't give 1.06 alone for him. He was hugely dependent on a high volume of short targets from Tannehill in MIA. We've seen that even with a high target share in a functional CLE offense, he hasn't been productive because his niche is being a slot WR as an outlet target for dumpoffs. Even then, Mayfield is mobile enough to not check it down all the time. That said, if you think you can sell Landry for more to another team in the league, then I'd consider it.

I never thought about it that way. Good take, thanks

[jeaton6]

Surprised to see Landry in a landslide. Baker spreads it around a ton, Landry was pretty inconsistent this year, inconsistent usage, had 4 OT games to pad his stats and yet sitting at WR21 in PPR, WR27 PPG. To me his value is way down given all this and I wasn’t paying 1.6 for him last year. I really don’t see how he’s worth it+ now (even given the supposed “weak” 2019 class). I’d be very happy to move him for a mid 1, but doubt I could get it for him. The picks will gain value this offseason, I doubt Landry will.

I agree that Baker spreads it around a lot and that offense is evolving. However, it still has a good amount of growth potential. Having said that, I think most are betting that it is simply a down year for Landry. Sure I wouldn't expect a top 10 year in PPR for him or to see the amount of short targets like he did in MIA. I do think he could easily hit top 15-20 next year with a full off-season with Cleveland and the coaches they find. Hopefully he isn't solely used on slants and underneath routes like he was in MIA. He's a good receiver that will get the damn ball

The 1.06 on the other hand in this draft is a risky bet. Good luck finding a guy who has consistently been top 20ish even in mediocre offenses.

Edit: you bring up Landry's 4 OT periods. I am not aware but did he actually do well in those 4 OTs to pad his stats? Honestly curious as I'm not sure the best way to go about looking for those stats

Perhaps I should have said “potentially” pad his stats but that he did little with that extra opportunity. He had 2/34 this year in 4 OTs. It’s available on NFL.com under situational stats.

I understand the argument I’m just not a believer that it will come to fruition. He was used so much on short routes due to a lack of a running game in Miami for all those years. This will not be the case in Cleveland and I don’t expect him to ever approach 100 receptions again. He’s likely to be more of an 80/1000/5 guy going forward. Fine if competing as a WR3 but if I’m using him as a WR2 I’m uncomfortable.

[Jigga94]

I agree. You wouldn't necessarily want him as your WR2 but the numbers you illustrated would be good for WR 20-25 range this season and are only slightly better than what he has done in his "off year" this season. Just saying I'd bet on the same or better next year and think that is well worth an unknown mid 1st round pick

[mclilj]

To me it's Landry and not close. Guy was WR21 with a rook at QB. His career stats tell me what I need to know about him as a player. In this weak class I'd happily move much higher picks for him

[Jigga94]

To me it's Landry and not close. Guy was WR21 with a rook at QB. His career stats tell me what I need to know about him as a player. In this weak class I'd happily move much higher picks for him

Way too early without fully scouting the rookie class but... You're on the clock at 1.01 and Landry is there. Are you taking him?

[Titans95]

To me it's Landry and not close. Guy was WR21 with a rook at QB. His career stats tell me what I need to know about him as a player. In this weak class I'd happily move much higher picks for him

Way too early without fully scouting the rookie class but... You're on the clock at 1.01 and Landry is there. Are you taking him?

If you have the 1.01 because you finished last then you need a bigger hit than Landry. I'd shoot for upside and take the best WR on the board which will likely be AJ Brown.

[FantasyFreak]

To me it's Landry and not close. Guy was WR21 with a rook at QB. His career stats tell me what I need to know about him as a player. In this weak class I'd happily move much higher picks for him

Not a weak class at WR. At WR, it's actually one of the deeper ones in years, but there is no "elite" standout talent in this years class pre-draft. The 1.06 is could easily net a WR that can start, if you make the right choice. However, Landry is a safe play. His numbers have dipped, and he will never produce the way he did in Miami, IMO. It's all about risk vs reward. Landry will be a WR2 and 1.06 may be more or less, depending on who you pick.