OJ Howard's Value?

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OJ Howard's Value?

Postby PTW32 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:23 pm

Curious what you guys think OJ Howard's value would be in a 12 team, PPR, 2TE league.

I haven't decided if I'm going to shop him in the off season or not but wanted to start gauging value.

Thanks
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby Snickers » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:15 pm

I would not shop him around in a two TE. Look at all the injuries that TEs sustain. You need the depth..

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby Leeboy86 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:18 pm

Snickers wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:15 pm I would not shop him around in a two TE. Look at all the injuries that TEs sustain. You need the depth..
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Team 1:
12-Team, 22 man Standard | QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: T.Brady, K.Murray, R.Wilson
RB: D.Henry, N.Chubb, A.Ekeler, D.Harris, J.K.Dobbins, A.Mattison, M.Davis, G.Edwards
WR: D.Adams, C.Godwin, A.Cooper, J.Chase, A.J.Brown, J.Smith-Schuster, M.Gallup
TE: T.Kelce, T.J. Hockenson, I.Smith
K: N.Folk DST: Ravens
Taxi: T.Badie, J.Ferguson, S.Connor
2023 picks: 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd
2024 picks: 1st, 2nd, 2nd
2025 picks: 3rd, 3rd

Team 2:
12-Team, 25 man 0.5 PPR | QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, Flex, S.Flex, K, DST
QB: L.Jackson, D.Watson, M.Jones, T.Lance, J.Love, J.Garoppolo
RB: S.Barkley, A.Gibson, T.Etienne, B.Robinson, K.Harris
WR: C.Godwin, C.Sutton, T.McLaurin, D.Samuel, J.Chase, D.Smith, G.Wilson, A.Pierce
TE: M.Andrews, R.Tonyan, E.Engram
K: J.Tucker | DST: Broncos
Taxi: J.Palmer, D.Bell, T.Ebner, J.Ford
2023 picks: 1st, 1st, 3rd
2024 picks: 1st, 2nd,2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2025 picks: 2nd, 3rd, 3rd

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby jonf86 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:14 pm

Shop him. Shop everyone, but in a 2 TE league he is extremely valuable. Ask for a lot and if your tempted by something do your best to get a TE back in the deal
QB: D. Watson, T. Taylor, J. Driskel, J. Johnson, C. Rush, N. Sudfeld, M. White
RB: C. McCaffrey, C. Carson, K. Johnson, R. Penny, J. Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
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RB: I. Crowell, J. Williams, A. Abdullah, C.J. Anderson
WR: C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, W. Fuller, M. Valdez-Scantling, D.J. Chark, E. St. Brown, J. Kumerow, R. Higgins, C. Meredith, J. Kearse
TE: D. Njoku, H. Henry, C. Herndon, G. Everett, I. Thomas, J. Leggett, W. Dissly
14 Team SuperFlex Dynasty TE 1.5 PPR and .15PPY, WR PPR, RB .25PPC and .5PPR, QB: 4 Point TDs
Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, FLEX, OP

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby PTW32 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:30 pm

jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:14 pm Shop him. Shop everyone, but in a 2 TE league he is extremely valuable. Ask for a lot and if your tempted by something do your best to get a TE back in the deal
This is kind of my thought process. Im trying to figure out what fair value you would be so that if i get an offer well above that i can decide to trade him.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby FantasyFreakGuru » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:55 am

Easy Hold in 2TE league. It would cost quite alot to acquire a top 5 TE.
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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby Titans95 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:37 am

I've never played in a 2TE league but I would assume he is worth a very early 2nd round startup pick? So probably a top 5 RB or top 5 WR?

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby PTW32 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:42 am

I'm going to try to clarify because this didnt really go how i had hoped.

I took over a team that was a mess this year and i started to rebuild. (Team in sig) Team lacks top end talent at pretty much all positions except Tight End.

At TE i have Kittle, Henry, and Howard. 3 top 8? Top 10? Dynasty Tight Ends.

On 1 hand I can hold on to them and be set at the position for the next 5 years maybe more.

But on the other i have a lack of talent over all, i like Jonnu Smiths potential and this rookie draft should be full of TE prospects. So if given the opportunity to get value that would help my team i should be prepared to consider it.

I'm just not sure what that value is.

CMC?
Juju?
Guice?
Pettis+ 2019 2nd + 2020 1st?
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby PTW32 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:44 am

Titans95 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:37 am I've never played in a 2TE league but I would assume he is worth a very early 2nd round startup pick? So probably a top 5 RB or top 5 WR?
If this is true I'd have to consider it.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby Titans95 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:52 pm

Dynasty n00b wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:44 am
Titans95 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:37 am I've never played in a 2TE league but I would assume he is worth a very early 2nd round startup pick? So probably a top 5 RB or top 5 WR?
If this is true I'd have to consider it.
Like I said I've never played in one so its hard to tell but Kittle outscored the 12th best TE by 7 ppg and outscored the 24th best TE on the year by 10ppg. The #3 WR on the year which was Dhop outscored the #12 WR by 4 ppg and the #24 WR by 9ppg. So by that logic Kittle is worth nearly as much as Dhop or any other elite tier WR and that doesn't even tell the whole story. TE24 is averaging 5ppg whereas WR24 is averaging like 11.8ppg so at least you are getting a decent game out of the #24 WR but the #24 TE is practically worthless which makes the elite TE's worth even more.

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby PTW32 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:12 pm

Titans95 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:52 pm
Dynasty n00b wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:44 am
Titans95 wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:37 am I've never played in a 2TE league but I would assume he is worth a very early 2nd round startup pick? So probably a top 5 RB or top 5 WR?
If this is true I'd have to consider it.
Like I said I've never played in one so its hard to tell but Kittle outscored the 12th best TE by 7 ppg and outscored the 24th best TE on the year by 10ppg. The #3 WR on the year which was Dhop outscored the #12 WR by 4 ppg and the #24 WR by 9ppg. So by that logic Kittle is worth nearly as much as Dhop or any other elite tier WR and that doesn't even tell the whole story. TE24 is averaging 5ppg whereas WR24 is averaging like 11.8ppg so at least you are getting a decent game out of the #24 WR but the #24 TE is practically worthless which makes the elite TE's worth even more.
Thank you for the prespective that helps alot.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby Ravenous » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:01 pm

Dynasty n00b wrote: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:42 am I'm going to try to clarify because this didnt really go how i had hoped.

I took over a team that was a mess this year and i started to rebuild. (Team in sig) Team lacks top end talent at pretty much all positions except Tight End.

At TE i have Kittle, Henry, and Howard. 3 top 8? Top 10? Dynasty Tight Ends.

On 1 hand I can hold on to them and be set at the position for the next 5 years maybe more.

But on the other i have a lack of talent over all, i like Jonnu Smiths potential and this rookie draft should be full of TE prospects. So if given the opportunity to get value that would help my team i should be prepared to consider it.

I'm just not sure what that value is.

CMC?
Juju?
Guice?
Pettis+ 2019 2nd + 2020 1st?
In my opinion....i don't think you will be able to get cmc or juju straight up for howard. If you are truely rebuilding, pettis+ is an ok start if you like him. I'd rather the picks be earlier. Howard was a top 10 rookie pick 2 years ago...and has looked pretty good even competing with Brate and QB musical chairs. His production has been pretty solid when he is on the field.

All that to say his value must have gone up since rookie draft...and in a 2TE league i would need at least 2 19 1sts or player similarly valued to get things going.
Too many teams and lineup changes to keep track of them all.

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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby vixen » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:11 pm

if you can start all 3 TEs, i would keep all 3 unless i was blown away by the offer
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
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Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
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Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
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Re: OJ Howard's Value?

Postby dblj1199 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:46 am

Your team needs wr help so I’d put all three te’s on the market and look for wr help with the biggest return possible.
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