Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

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Which side?

Keenan Allen
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O.J. Howard, John Brown, Josh Jacobs (Alabama rb)
4
17%
 
Total votes: 23

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Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby bsp27 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:22 pm

devy league tight end premium (1.5 ppr and 1.5 per 10 yards)

Team is out of playoff contention.
Superflex tight-end premium team:
Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

1 2020 first, 1 2020 2nd, 1 2020 3rd, 1 2020 4th

Devy superflex
Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby Titans95 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:26 pm

No Idea who josh jacobs is but unless he's the next Mark Ingram then this is a pass for me. I like OJ a ton but he's not in KA's league

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby jonf86 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:31 pm

In this scoring in 9 games (not counting the one he was injured in), Howard scored 167 points. In 11 games, Keenan's at about 183.

I think considering age and the level of improvement we saw from Howard prior to his injury, he's worth just as much as Allen. I'd argue more and would take the OJ side
QB: D. Watson, T. Taylor, J. Driskel, J. Johnson, C. Rush, N. Sudfeld, M. White
RB: C. McCaffrey, C. Carson, K. Johnson, R. Penny, J. Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
16 Team Dynasty (PPR). Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, TE, FLEX, SFLEX
2018 Champs

QB: M. Stafford, J. Garoppolo
RB: I. Crowell, J. Williams, A. Abdullah, C.J. Anderson
WR: C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, W. Fuller, M. Valdez-Scantling, D.J. Chark, E. St. Brown, J. Kumerow, R. Higgins, C. Meredith, J. Kearse
TE: D. Njoku, H. Henry, C. Herndon, G. Everett, I. Thomas, J. Leggett, W. Dissly
14 Team SuperFlex Dynasty TE 1.5 PPR and .15PPY, WR PPR, RB .25PPC and .5PPR, QB: 4 Point TDs
Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, FLEX, OP

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby bsp27 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:34 pm

jonf86 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:31 pm In this scoring in 9 games (not counting the one he was injured in), Howard scored 167 points. In 11 games, Keenan's at about 183.

I think considering age and the level of improvement we saw from Howard prior to his injury, he's worth just as much as Allen. I'd argue more and would take the OJ side
that's what i was thinking. In normal scoring, Keenan side is clearly better but this scoring system is absurd.
Superflex tight-end premium team:
Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

1 2020 first, 1 2020 2nd, 1 2020 3rd, 1 2020 4th

Devy superflex
Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby Jigga94 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:10 pm

I guess the scoring system tips the scale? It's basically KA for Howard though

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby JDogil12 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:44 pm

KA for me but I'll admit I think Fant might be the 1.01 with that scoring system

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby bsp27 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:09 pm

JDogil12 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:44 pm KA for me but I'll admit I think Fant might be the 1.01 with that scoring system
recently acquired Fant as well... I accepted this trade, so now I have Njoku, OJ Howard, and Fant!
Superflex tight-end premium team:
Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

1 2020 first, 1 2020 2nd, 1 2020 3rd, 1 2020 4th

Devy superflex
Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby Tennisbuck » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:20 am

KA



OJ
QB: Jimmy G,Mahomes, Andy Dalton, Brisset, and Stidham
RB: Zeke, Saquan, Dalvin Cook, Guice, J.Hill, and Damien Harris
WR: Diggs, DJ Moore, JuJu, Sutton, Fuller, Paris
TE:Hunter Henry, Irv Smith, Herndon

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am

4 people really hate KA lol
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby jonf86 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am

BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.
QB: D. Watson, T. Taylor, J. Driskel, J. Johnson, C. Rush, N. Sudfeld, M. White
RB: C. McCaffrey, C. Carson, K. Johnson, R. Penny, J. Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
16 Team Dynasty (PPR). Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, TE, FLEX, SFLEX
2018 Champs

QB: M. Stafford, J. Garoppolo
RB: I. Crowell, J. Williams, A. Abdullah, C.J. Anderson
WR: C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, W. Fuller, M. Valdez-Scantling, D.J. Chark, E. St. Brown, J. Kumerow, R. Higgins, C. Meredith, J. Kearse
TE: D. Njoku, H. Henry, C. Herndon, G. Everett, I. Thomas, J. Leggett, W. Dissly
14 Team SuperFlex Dynasty TE 1.5 PPR and .15PPY, WR PPR, RB .25PPC and .5PPR, QB: 4 Point TDs
Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, FLEX, OP

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby jenkins.math » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:43 am

jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.
Most people probably read the poll, voted, then commented based on their league settings and not your league settings (which is where the trade is happening and should be all that matters).

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am

jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby jonf86 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:08 am

BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.
I made it seem like there’s a 5-6 year gap? Not sure how I did that. My intention was just to say that howard would be in his prime at 27, which I think is a reasonable statement. Assuming the scoring is a ppr for other positions, but OP correct me if I’m wrong
QB: D. Watson, T. Taylor, J. Driskel, J. Johnson, C. Rush, N. Sudfeld, M. White
RB: C. McCaffrey, C. Carson, K. Johnson, R. Penny, J. Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
16 Team Dynasty (PPR). Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, TE, FLEX, SFLEX
2018 Champs

QB: M. Stafford, J. Garoppolo
RB: I. Crowell, J. Williams, A. Abdullah, C.J. Anderson
WR: C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, W. Fuller, M. Valdez-Scantling, D.J. Chark, E. St. Brown, J. Kumerow, R. Higgins, C. Meredith, J. Kearse
TE: D. Njoku, H. Henry, C. Herndon, G. Everett, I. Thomas, J. Leggett, W. Dissly
14 Team SuperFlex Dynasty TE 1.5 PPR and .15PPY, WR PPR, RB .25PPC and .5PPR, QB: 4 Point TDs
Lineup: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, FLEX, OP

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:21 am

jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:08 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am

Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.
I made it seem like there’s a 5-6 year gap? Not sure how I did that. My intention was just to say that howard would be in his prime at 27, which I think is a reasonable statement. Assuming the scoring is a ppr for other positions, but OP correct me if I’m wrong
ya the line about howard just entering his prime when KA hits age 30 makes it seem like there is some large age gap between the two players...
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Keenan Allen for OJ Howard+

Postby Duke Nuk’em » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:44 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:53 am
jonf86 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:37 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:33 am 4 people really hate KA lol
Just curious, for you or anyone else that voted for KA, what's your reasoning?

Even with Allen's monster game yesterday, in this league scoring, Howard is still averaging more points per game (if you take out the game he was injured early in).

KA = 18.175 ppg
Howard = 18.64 ppg

Howard has age, position scarcity on his side (in a super tight end premium, it becomes worth it to start TE's at flex too even, making them more scarce). Allen has past production.

Because Howard is neck and neck with Allen's scoring this year (which by no means is a down year for KA) and because when Allen will be 30, Howard will be entering his prime, I'd argue Howard is the more valuable player.

the OP gave one bit of scoring info, not all of it, so i cant fully evaluate the scoring aspect. I also do not know starting requirements but most leagues you start at most 2 TE, this guy already had 2 very good options and i dont love his WRs without Keenan Allen.

edit: also its a 2.5 year age gap, not 5-6 like you are making it seem.

This plus careers are much shorter for TEs than they are for WRs. Even with this scoring system I still want KA with your roster construction.


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