Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby Jigga94 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:00 am

Maybe if it's the 10th pick or later. I don't know that he's going to magically get more touches this year. I think his role suited him pretty well last season. He's not a workhorse RB
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RB: JT, Mostert, Dillon, Gaskin, McFarland, Jeff Wilson, Mattison, Pollard, Damien (IR)
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Cole, G. Davis, Parris (IR), Mims (IR)
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby LMS123 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:39 am

I’m still not giving a 1st for Drake, I’ve never been a big fan of his. My thoughts from last year, you don’t bring in a 40 year old rb and draft a rookie if your confident in the guy you have. I think they give ballage every Chance to win the job
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QB - Jackson, Mayfield, Trubisky, RG3, Kaep, Fromm
RB - Barkley, Gurley, Singletary, Mostert, Armstead, Gibson, Hasty
WR - Kupp, AJG, Anderson, Aiyuk, Ross, Perriman, O. Johnson, Cole, Miller, Quinn, Bourne, Ford, Gage, Proche, Reed, T. Johnson
TE - Kittle, Njoku, Griffin, Moreau, Keene, Arnold, Boyle, Bryant
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2021 Picks: 4th, 4th, 4th
2022 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

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(QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, SF, F, F, F)
QB - Darnold, Lock, Minshew, Mariota, Gordon
RB - Cook, Mixon, Taylor, Coleman, Bernard, Warren, Huntley, Bellamy
WR - Kupp, Mims, Shenault, Hardman, Duvernay, Ross, DPJ, Watson, Mooney, Flash Gordon
TE - Gesicki, Jonnu, Thomas, Keene, Eifert, Parham, Sullivan
2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 5th
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby FiremanEd » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:48 am

For those responding, note that the original post is from October 2018. This isn’t current. The title is misleading for the refresh.

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:59 am

osubuckeyeman wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:57 am
How about 20i9 in a new offense? What do you think his value is?
I want a early 1st for him , Dudes points per touch are up there with Gurley and Barkley.. He scored 206 points on only 170 touches , With Gore gone and a new coach he should get more carries , Personally I'm only hoping for around 200 carries 60 catches I think he can easily be a top 10 RB.

Put that in perspective Chubb had 40 more touches and 4 less points and people think he is god lol.
(TEAM 1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRY, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, J.Goff
RB-S.Barkley, D.Cook, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Jackson, A.Mattison, R.Jones
WR-M.Thomas, T.Hill, DJ.Moore, D.Parker, J.Jefferson, M.Hardman
TE-E.Engram, H.Hurst, R.Tonyan

(TEAM 2) 12 Team, .5 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, B.Roethlisberger
RB-A.Kamara, J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Robinson
WR-T.Hill, M.Evans, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, W.Fuller, B.Cooks, J.Reagor
TE-T.Higbee

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QB-D.Watson, D.Carr
RB-J.Mixon, D.Cook, C.Carson, C.Hyde, A.Mattison
WR-J.Smith-Schuster, K.Golladay, T.Boyd, S.Shepard, B.Cooks
TE-D.Waller, E.Engram

(TEAM 4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPC, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, J.Allen
RB-J.Conner, M.Gordon, K.Drake, D.Henderson, M.Brown
WR-D.Adams, K.Golladay, D.Parker, B.Cooks, A.Lazard
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby Gator Sens » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:24 am

I think its steep. You need the RB help but perhaps drafting the best RB available with the pick you will be trading yields longer production.

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby Fantasy>>>Reality » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:55 am

I would not
Team 1
20 Man Roster inc. K/DST
12 team
PPR
Start QB, 1RB, 1WR, 1TE, 2RB/WR/TE
QB: Wentz, Goff, Darnold
RB: Barkley, Swift, Z Moss, Ozigbo, Edmonds
WR: DJ Moore, Sutton, AJ Brown, Deebo, Lamb, Ruggs, A Miller, P Campbell
TE: Kittle, I Thomas
2021- 1st

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25 Man Roster inc. K/DST
12 team Superflex
.5 PPR
Start 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1Flex, 1TE
QB: Newton, Cousins, Lamar Jackson, Murray
RB: Mixon, D Washington, Boone, Gibson, B Love, D Harris
WR: Nuk, Godwin, G Tate, Ruggs, Aiyuk, A Miller, A Tate, Cephus, Proche
TE: Ebron, Knox, Herndon, Sternberger
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby Madadamus » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:29 pm

In this draft, at this point, I think he’s worth it. I’d explore other avenues first though.
12 Team PPR Dynasty - DLFS
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: C. Wentz, T. Brady, B. Mayfield, T. Bridgewater
RB: S. Barkley, E. Elliott, C. Edwards-Helaire, K. Drake, D. Swift, J.K. Dobbins, A. Gibson, D. Harris, G. Edwards
WR: M. Evans, D. Adams, O. Beckham Jr., J. Reagor, B. Aiyuk, W. Fuller, C. Davis, E. Sanders, B. Perriman, R. Cobb
TE: D. Waller, N. Fant, H. Hurst, D. Njoku, E. Ebron, J. Akins
2021 Picks: 2nd (early)

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1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 RB/WR/TE, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 TE
QB: M. Stafford, R. Fitzpatrick, D. Lock, J. Herbert, M. Mariota, J. Stidham
RB: C. McCaffrey, E. Elliott, A. Kamara, J. Mixon, J.K. Dobbins, L. Bell, A. Mattison, J. White
WR: O. Beckham Jr., D.J. Moore, T.Y. Hilton, J. Jeudy, D. Parker, C. Davis, C. Claypool, L. Fitzgerald, B. Perriman, W. Snead
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby snaps06 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:08 pm

AresGodOWar wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:59 am
osubuckeyeman wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:57 am
How about 20i9 in a new offense? What do you think his value is?
I want a early 1st for him , Dudes points per touch are up there with Gurley and Barkley.. He scored 206 points on only 170 touches , With Gore gone and a new coach he should get more carries , Personally I'm only hoping for around 200 carries 60 catches I think he can easily be a top 10 RB.

Put that in perspective Chubb had 40 more touches and 4 less points and people think he is god lol.
A lot of guys excel in limited touches. Think CJ Spiller in Buffalo, Lamar Miller in Miami, etc. He is not, and never will be, a workhorse RB in the NFL. 170 touches is the most he can ever hope for IMO.

Chubb is built like a 3-down back (6' and 225-235 lbs), as are Gurley and Barkley. Drake is a full 20 lbs less than Chubb and Barkley, and about 15 less than Gurley. It's comparing an apple to a bunch of oranges.
Team 1: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '16 & '17 3rd Place
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Snell,Kelley,Hyde,Duke,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Pittman,Mims,Kirk,Washington
Henry,Andrews,Everett
2021: 1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,4,5

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QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Bell,Dillon,Duke,Mattison,Edmonds,Robinson
Hopkins,Thomas,Cooks,Watkins,MWilliams,Claypool
Kittle,Henry

Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Hoyer
Zeke,LMurray,Ingram,Gibson,Moss,Gio,BHill,Robinson
Evans,DJM,Watkins,Boyd,Davis
Fant,McDonald,Fells

Team 4: 16-Team,PPR
QB RB RB WR WR TE FLEX FLEX
Stafford,Tanny
Jacobs,Dobbins,Dillon,Kerryon,RFreeman,Mattison,BHill,Robinson
DJM,Lockett,Reagor,Watkins,Isabella,Washington,Ross,Perriman
Howard,Herndon,Fells
2021:1,1,2,2,3,4

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby animalkev » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:12 pm

no way... :nono:

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:24 pm

snaps06 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:08 pm
AresGodOWar wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:59 am
osubuckeyeman wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:57 am
How about 20i9 in a new offense? What do you think his value is?
I want a early 1st for him , Dudes points per touch are up there with Gurley and Barkley.. He scored 206 points on only 170 touches , With Gore gone and a new coach he should get more carries , Personally I'm only hoping for around 200 carries 60 catches I think he can easily be a top 10 RB.

Put that in perspective Chubb had 40 more touches and 4 less points and people think he is god lol.
A lot of guys excel in limited touches. Think CJ Spiller in Buffalo, Lamar Miller in Miami, etc. He is not, and never will be, a workhorse RB in the NFL. 170 touches is the most he can ever hope for IMO.

Chubb is built like a 3-down back (6' and 225-235 lbs), as are Gurley and Barkley. Drake is a full 20 lbs less than Chubb and Barkley, and about 15 less than Gurley. It's comparing an apple to a bunch of oranges.
I know what you mean by limited touches numbers look better than they should , But he had 170 touches not 100 or less like guys that break a couple long runs that make them look good , I mean he was the #16 RB.. He was a 3 down back at the end of 2017 and played it very good was a top 10 RB when used right , Gase just had a hard on for old bum Gore last year he is a horrible coach that shouldn't have a job.

Drake isn't small he can easily handle over 200 carries and 50+ catches 6'1 215 lbs , MGordon 6'1 207 lbs , CMC is 5'11 205 lbs
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QB-L.Jackson, J.Goff
RB-S.Barkley, D.Cook, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Jackson, A.Mattison, R.Jones
WR-M.Thomas, T.Hill, DJ.Moore, D.Parker, J.Jefferson, M.Hardman
TE-E.Engram, H.Hurst, R.Tonyan

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QB-D.Prescott, B.Roethlisberger
RB-A.Kamara, J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Robinson
WR-T.Hill, M.Evans, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, W.Fuller, B.Cooks, J.Reagor
TE-T.Higbee

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QB-D.Watson, D.Carr
RB-J.Mixon, D.Cook, C.Carson, C.Hyde, A.Mattison
WR-J.Smith-Schuster, K.Golladay, T.Boyd, S.Shepard, B.Cooks
TE-D.Waller, E.Engram

(TEAM 4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPC, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, J.Allen
RB-J.Conner, M.Gordon, K.Drake, D.Henderson, M.Brown
WR-D.Adams, K.Golladay, D.Parker, B.Cooks, A.Lazard
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby FiremanEd » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:57 pm

For as many things as Gase May have done wrong, Frank Gore doesn’t deserve the hate you just passed on him. He ran hard and well. Just because he’s old and not sexy for dynasty doesn’t mean he wasn’t a solid RB. Drake isn’t a workhorse.

Miami also won more games than their talent suggested they should under Gase. I was never impressed with the roster or Gase himself, but that is a reality.

Will Drake do more with a new coach? He could. He could also be Lamar Miller, whom had people saying the exact same thing while he was there and then has done nothing but plateau and become volume based as a result of the increased role.

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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby osubuckeyeman » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:56 pm

I traded 2019 (2.1) on an orphan team I just acquired for Kenyan Drake this morning if that helps here are the backs on that squad at the current. Jay Ajay, LeGarrette Blount, Marshawn Lynch, Royce Freeman, Carlos Hyde, Kalen Ballage and Chris Thompson. I think for the sake of argument a little bit of what your roster looks like will play a role. Did I overpay? Maybe but considering the need may be not. He caught 53 balls for 477 yards and 5 receiving touchdowns to go along with over 500 yards rushing and 4 rushing touchdowns. Always a risk with a new offense but could work the other way too. No Gase and he might exceed expectations. He is ranked as DLF running back 31 but I figure his numbers go up a little in the situation or that is the hope. He could get to the 25th back? Not sure you can get the other players listed in that area with a late first early 2nd. James White, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, Chris Carson, and Lamar Miller all within 6 spots either direction of Drake. I also hold the 2.2 which softened the blow. I would have loved to get him for less but the 3rd rounder was not going to get it done. The flip side to the risk is if they draft another back in the first 2 rounds in the 2019 NFL draft. (this is now my worry). The Dolphins have a ton of other needs though. Again part of the risk of dealing like this prior to the NFL draft. I find getting deals done is easier this time of year. It's a tic for tac risk-reward move.

Based off what I reviewed before making the offer/hitting accept this is what I was thinking. Kenyan Drake to me is worth a late first early 2nd in the 2019 draft. The deal got done.
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:05 pm

Couple days ago I offered Watkins for Miller and it was denied (I would have took Miller over Watkins) , I was countered with C.Davis , Miller for Watkins , Drake and turned it down (Means I like Drake more than C.Davis)
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RB-S.Barkley, D.Cook, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Jackson, A.Mattison, R.Jones
WR-M.Thomas, T.Hill, DJ.Moore, D.Parker, J.Jefferson, M.Hardman
TE-E.Engram, H.Hurst, R.Tonyan

(TEAM 2) 12 Team, .5 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, B.Roethlisberger
RB-A.Kamara, J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, L.Fournette, J.Robinson
WR-T.Hill, M.Evans, J.Smith-Schuster, S.Watkins, W.Fuller, B.Cooks, J.Reagor
TE-T.Higbee

(TEAM 3) 12 Team, .15 PPC, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-D.Watson, D.Carr
RB-J.Mixon, D.Cook, C.Carson, C.Hyde, A.Mattison
WR-J.Smith-Schuster, K.Golladay, T.Boyd, S.Shepard, B.Cooks
TE-D.Waller, E.Engram

(TEAM 4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPC, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-D.Prescott, J.Allen
RB-J.Conner, M.Gordon, K.Drake, D.Henderson, M.Brown
WR-D.Adams, K.Golladay, D.Parker, B.Cooks, A.Lazard
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Re: Would you pay a 2019 first for Kenyan Drake?

Postby Hottoddies » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:40 pm

Miami has a lot of missing pieces to put in place on that offense. Until it all comes together, it would be hard to judge anyone's value at this stage. I think it's a petty big gamble.
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