Luck trade dispute

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Luck trade dispute

Postby afrye1 » Wed May 23, 2018 9:58 am

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I am going back and forth with a fellow owner over a trade that I don’t think is going to happen. In our 10 team superflex he came to me with an offer of Mike Williams, a 2019 1st (mid to late) and a 2019 2nd mid to late for Andrew Luck. I told him I would do it if he added Sony Michel. He is balking and telling me his offer is very reasonable. I thought I was still underselling luck with my offer. Am I way off here? Team one in my sig. plus I have added through the rookie draft so far...
1.01 Barkley
1.07 ROJO
2.04 Lamar Jackson
3.02 Sam Darnold

Cross posted in the superflex and 2 QB board
Team 1
Start 1 QB 2RB 2 WR 1 TE 2 flex 1 SF
QB: L.JACKSON WILSON Mayfield Darnold
RB: BARKLEY A.JONES DRAKE lindsay Brieda James Robinson Mike Davis rojo duke n.hines, AJ Dillion
WR: NUK T.HILL Diggs Gallup Pettis t.mclaurin k.harmon Allen lazard, MVS, Van Jefferson, Joe Reed, Q.cephus,
TE: KITTLE Evan Engram Kyle Rudolph Brate Dissley Jordan Reed

6 pts for TD full PPR .25 PPC 1 pt per 10 rushing/receiving yards 1 pt per 20 passing yards

Team 2
10 team PPR league
4 pt passing td. 6 pt for all other TD.
QB: DAK, Matt Ryan, Taysom Hill
RB: Chubb, Miles Sanders, James Robinson Akers, T.coleman, Royce Freeman,Chase Edmonds, Ryquell Armstead, Joshua Kelly, L.perine,
WR: MT, Tyreek Hill, Godwin, JUJU, Mclaurin, M.Brown, Sterling Shepard, Preston Williams, PLazard, John Ross, Trequan Smith,Harmon, Ruggs, T.Higgins
TE: Kittle, Hunter Henry,OJ Howard,
K: Butker
DEF: Colts Packers Browns
start: 1 QB 2 WR 2 RB 1TE 2 flex
2021: 2x 1sts
2022: 3rd, 4th

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Generic Username » Wed May 23, 2018 10:04 am

Darnold at 3.02 means your league really doesn't value the superflex position...offer is light, counter seems fair, move on if middle not found

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby gunzwil guinea pigs » Wed May 23, 2018 10:06 am

With your team I would target a top end WR... but it's probably difficult, because lamar im mid 2nd and Darnold 3rd means that nobody cares about QBs lol
2QB-Dynasty - 10 Team standard scoring - 30man roster
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, K, D/ST

QB: Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Philipp Rivers, Marcus Mariota, Jalen Hurts
RB: Joe Mixon, Le'Veon Bell, Joshua Kelley, Rashaad Penny, Matt Breida, Lynn Bowden Jr., Ryquell Armstead
WR: Calvin Ridley, Stefon Diggs, Terry McLaurin, TY Hilton, Jarvis Landry, CeDee Lamb, Robert Woods, Mike Williams, Marvin Jones, N'Keal Harry, Denzel Mims, JJ Arcega-Whiteside
TE: Zach Ertz, Drew Sample, Dalton Schultz, Irv Smith
K: Matt Prater
D/ST: TB, GB

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Picks 2021: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby AugieFootball50 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:07 am

Agree with comments above.... QBs are too low...

It basically comes down to whether or not you think Luck comes back and is able to perform at a high level.... Luck comes back the way he was before and it still would be an undersell with Michel included (IMO). Luck doesn't come back right and obviously the deal without Michel is a pretty nice haul.

Maybe do the deal with Sony Michel but not the 2nd? I personally would not sell Luck for the initial offer.... but you can call me a Luck believer.... or a "Luck is my only option so he better come back" believer ;)
10 team, .5 ppr, 2-QB, 2-TE (30)
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, FLEX, 2 TE

QB - Jameis Winston, Kirk Cousins, Andrew Luck, Josh Allen, Mason Rudolph
RB - Alvin Kamara, Jerick McKinnon, Rex Burkhead, Marshawn Lynch, DeMarco Murray, Bilal Powell, Latavius Murray, Jordan Wilkins, Chase Edmonds, Jaylen Samuels
WR - Antonio Brown, Alshon Jeffery, Marvin Jones, Julian Edelman, Courtland Sutton, Dez Bryant, Jordy Nelson, Cameron Meredith, Albert Wilson, Amara Darboh
TE - Jimmy Graham, Kyle Rudolph, Jordan Reed, Trey Burton, Nick Vannett

12 team, Standard (21)
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 FLEX, TE

QB - Carson Wentz, Josh Rosen
RB - Melvin Gordon, Derrius Guice, Nick Chubb, Royce Freeman, Aaron Jones, John Kelley, Jaylen Samuels
WR - Mike Evans, Corey Davis, Josh Gordon, Golden Tate, Sterling Shepard, James Washington, Cameron Meredith, Tyrell Williams, John Brown, Laquon Treadwell
TE - Evan Engram, Adam Shaheen

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Valhalla » Wed May 23, 2018 10:15 am

I don't think Luck is coming out of this thing clean. I'd say there's a better chance he's altogether done than that he comes back to his old form. I'd happily sell him for the '19 1st, 2nd and Michel. Tell him he can keep Mike Williams and you want Michel instead.
I'd sell for less, personally, but with his initial offer, you MIGHT be able to get the above done.

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am

i cant take your question seriously when we are talking about a superflex league where a qb drafted a 3 overall went in the 3rd. you need a more serious league my dude.

as for your valuation its correct, his is also correct but thats because of how your entire league obviously undervalues QBs
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
J Allen , Herbert, Rivers
Kamara, B Hill, Akers,McNichols, Dillon, Cohen, McCoy
K Allen, Hopkins,McLaurin, AROB M Williams,MVS
Ebron Graham, Njoku, Irv

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Teddy B, Dak
Chubb,Mixon, D Henry,Coleman, D Harris, Burkhead, Mostert, wilson jr
Hopkins, K Allen, M Evans,AROB, C Davis, Watkins, Edleman, Higgins
Ertz, Gronk, Fant, everett, albert o


team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Baker, Wentz, Foles, K Allen
Kamara, Henry, Chubb, Bell, Murray, Coleman
M Thomas, K Allen, M Evans, JuJu, Cooper, Watkins
Hurst, Gronk, Ebron, Everett
Payne/Onyemata
Campbell, Ogbah, J Allen, Clowney, Armstead
Martinez, J Smith, Z Smith, Jack, Judon, C Jones (IR)
Alexander, Dean, Ward
Edmonds, Harris, Joseph, Delpit (IR)

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby afrye1 » Wed May 23, 2018 11:15 am

BigBawseRoss wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am
i cant take your question seriously when we are talking about a superflex league where a qb drafted a 3 overall went in the 3rd. you need a more serious league my dude.

as for your valuation its correct, his is also correct but thats because of how your entire league obviously undervalues QBs
I’m struggling with it myself! I’m no superflex expert as this is everyone’s first SF league and we just had our startup draft a month ago but after doing all the research I feel I have a semi decent understanding of how important QBs are. Although I am just loading up on qbs now. I’ve even had a couple guys make fun of me for having so many QBs. I have 5 and I think they are pretty darn good.
Team 1
Start 1 QB 2RB 2 WR 1 TE 2 flex 1 SF
QB: L.JACKSON WILSON Mayfield Darnold
RB: BARKLEY A.JONES DRAKE lindsay Brieda James Robinson Mike Davis rojo duke n.hines, AJ Dillion
WR: NUK T.HILL Diggs Gallup Pettis t.mclaurin k.harmon Allen lazard, MVS, Van Jefferson, Joe Reed, Q.cephus,
TE: KITTLE Evan Engram Kyle Rudolph Brate Dissley Jordan Reed

6 pts for TD full PPR .25 PPC 1 pt per 10 rushing/receiving yards 1 pt per 20 passing yards

Team 2
10 team PPR league
4 pt passing td. 6 pt for all other TD.
QB: DAK, Matt Ryan, Taysom Hill
RB: Chubb, Miles Sanders, James Robinson Akers, T.coleman, Royce Freeman,Chase Edmonds, Ryquell Armstead, Joshua Kelly, L.perine,
WR: MT, Tyreek Hill, Godwin, JUJU, Mclaurin, M.Brown, Sterling Shepard, Preston Williams, PLazard, John Ross, Trequan Smith,Harmon, Ruggs, T.Higgins
TE: Kittle, Hunter Henry,OJ Howard,
K: Butker
DEF: Colts Packers Browns
start: 1 QB 2 WR 2 RB 1TE 2 flex
2021: 2x 1sts
2022: 3rd, 4th

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Ron_Y » Wed May 23, 2018 3:35 pm

I currently only play 2qb or superflex. Nobody understands the value in your league if Darnold fell that far, Jackson too.

If you really want to enjoy the format, you'll need a new league.
League 1: 2QB: 8 Years, 3x Champion, 3x Playoffs
QB: Wentz, Carr, Tanny, Flacco
RB: Saquon, Mixon, CEH, J. Robinson, Bell Latavius, J. Wilson
WR: Adams, Godwin, DK, Jefferson, Miller,Harry, Perriman, Conley
TE: Andrews, Higbee, Fells,

League 2: Superflex/IDP: 4 Years, 1x Champion, 1x Runner Up, 2x Playoffs
QB: Dak, Ryan, Wentz, Herbert
RB: Saquon, Cook, Kamara, Carson, Mostert, Dobbins, Gordon, Gaskins, Da. Johnson, White
WR: Adams, Tyreek, Amari, Woods, Hollywood Parker, Humphries, Enunwa, Agholor
TE: Kelce, Kittle Njoku, Doyle, Sternberger
IDP: Too many to list, not enough people care, too many changes

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby collbey » Wed May 23, 2018 3:40 pm

Keep Luck. His offer is light. Understand you asking for Michel too but too risky to trade that for Luck.

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Deloyshus » Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 pm

Your counter seems legit, but if I was the other owner, I wouldn't do that with Luck's risk. Maybe pull off the 19 1st or 2nd and try. Rodgers, Wilson, Luck, Darnold, and Jackson you are loaded! You will be contending for years.
Team 1: 2017 Champion, 2018 runner up, 2019 Champion
12 team, .5 PPR Dynasty, 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 Flex

QB: Ryan
RB: Taylor, Akers, Ekeler, Dillon
WR: Sutton, Reagor, J Brown, Gage
TE: Ebron, Gesiki
Devys: Etienne, Najee, Lawrence, Moore, D Smith, S Williams, Ngata (5 2021 devy picks, 3 first rounders)

Team 2: 2019 Runner up
12 Team, PPR, TE Premium, 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, 3 DL, 3 LB, 3DB, 3 IDP Flex (54 man rosters)

QB: Herbert, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Mixon, CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, Hines, Montgomery
WR: Keenan, Golladay, R Anderson, Juss Jeff, Claypool, Ayuik, Reagor, Mims
TE: Kelce, Jonnnu
DL: Garret, Young, Burns, Flowers, Okwara
LB: Cunningham, Thompson, J Brown, Kiser, Singleton, Hewitt, T Adams
DB: Chinn, J Johnson, Sorenson, Jenkins, Clark

2021 Picks: 7 1sts, 5 2nds, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 5th, 6th

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby playa_hata » Wed May 23, 2018 4:20 pm

yikes darnold in the 3rd round i havent done a draft where he made it past the 1st
12 team PPR SuperFlex start 9 (Same for each team)

TM1
QB: Rodgers, Rivers, Dak, Dalton, Smith
RB: Zeke, CMC, Jacobs, Chubb, Gore, Dearnest
WR: Davante Adams, Tyreek, Fuller, Aj Brown, AB, MVS, Fulgham, Ward, Fitz, Beasley, amendola, zaccheus
TE: Ertz, Engram, Fells

TM2
QB: Rodgers, Baker, Stafford, Bridgewater
RB:Kamara, Chubb, Hunt, Singletary
WR:M Evans,D Adams,Kupp, AJ brown, lockett, sanders,miller, Patrick, Robinson, Hamilton, Lasley, D.Robinson, Trey Quinn, Scantling, agholor
TE: Kelce, Rudolph, Irv smith, gronk, Burton

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Titans95 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 pm

afrye1 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:15 am
BigBawseRoss wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am
i cant take your question seriously when we are talking about a superflex league where a qb drafted a 3 overall went in the 3rd. you need a more serious league my dude.

as for your valuation its correct, his is also correct but thats because of how your entire league obviously undervalues QBs
I’m struggling with it myself! I’m no superflex expert as this is everyone’s first SF league and we just had our startup draft a month ago but after doing all the research I feel I have a semi decent understanding of how important QBs are. Although I am just loading up on qbs now. I’ve even had a couple guys make fun of me for having so many QBs. I have 5 and I think they are pretty darn good.
Just stick with your QB's. Don't sell short just because your leaguemates are educated. They will soon realize a top QB combo each week will almost certainly beat out a team with a top RB combo but trash QB's

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby afrye1 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:48 pm

Titans95 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 pm
afrye1 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:15 am
BigBawseRoss wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am
i cant take your question seriously when we are talking about a superflex league where a qb drafted a 3 overall went in the 3rd. you need a more serious league my dude.

as for your valuation its correct, his is also correct but thats because of how your entire league obviously undervalues QBs
I’m struggling with it myself! I’m no superflex expert as this is everyone’s first SF league and we just had our startup draft a month ago but after doing all the research I feel I have a semi decent understanding of how important QBs are. Although I am just loading up on qbs now. I’ve even had a couple guys make fun of me for having so many QBs. I have 5 and I think they are pretty darn good.
Just stick with your QB's. Don't sell short just because your leaguemates are educated. They will soon realize a top QB combo each week will almost certainly beat out a team with a top RB combo but trash QB's
I’m going to keep them all unless I get blown away with a deal. Where do you feel I need to improve. I think WR. I have an offer on the table of giving away Diggs for Landry/Gallup. I just don’t think Landry is gonna have the year that he did last year and I think Diggs might have his breakout year with a better qb. Gallup is just a toss up in this trade.
Team 1
Start 1 QB 2RB 2 WR 1 TE 2 flex 1 SF
QB: L.JACKSON WILSON Mayfield Darnold
RB: BARKLEY A.JONES DRAKE lindsay Brieda James Robinson Mike Davis rojo duke n.hines, AJ Dillion
WR: NUK T.HILL Diggs Gallup Pettis t.mclaurin k.harmon Allen lazard, MVS, Van Jefferson, Joe Reed, Q.cephus,
TE: KITTLE Evan Engram Kyle Rudolph Brate Dissley Jordan Reed

6 pts for TD full PPR .25 PPC 1 pt per 10 rushing/receiving yards 1 pt per 20 passing yards

Team 2
10 team PPR league
4 pt passing td. 6 pt for all other TD.
QB: DAK, Matt Ryan, Taysom Hill
RB: Chubb, Miles Sanders, James Robinson Akers, T.coleman, Royce Freeman,Chase Edmonds, Ryquell Armstead, Joshua Kelly, L.perine,
WR: MT, Tyreek Hill, Godwin, JUJU, Mclaurin, M.Brown, Sterling Shepard, Preston Williams, PLazard, John Ross, Trequan Smith,Harmon, Ruggs, T.Higgins
TE: Kittle, Hunter Henry,OJ Howard,
K: Butker
DEF: Colts Packers Browns
start: 1 QB 2 WR 2 RB 1TE 2 flex
2021: 2x 1sts
2022: 3rd, 4th

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby vixen » Wed May 23, 2018 5:59 pm

afrye1 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 9:58 am
Men and Women of this fine board,

an offer of Mike Williams, a 2019 1st (mid to late) and a 2019 2nd mid to late for Andrew Luck. I told him I would do it if he added Sony Michel.
1.01 Barkley
1.07 ROJO
2.04 Lamar Jackson
3.02 Sam Darnold

Cross posted in the superflex and 2 QB board
i don't think anyone is paying that price for Luck, perhaps 2 years ago, hopefully 2 years from now, but not today....
i do think your offer is unreasonable...things would be different if this were a 14 team superflex (heck, even a 12 team), but not for a 10 team league...and not for a QB that hasn't thrown a pass in over 12 months
also, you obviously know how devalued QBs are by the startup draft and especially the rookie draft and you are asking for a premium...again, hopefully in a year or 2 your league mates will come around to a more appropriate value, but not today..is this a TE premium league? pts per carry?
if you don't like Mike Williams, maybe you could get a different piece instead..
i try not to get into leagues with dynasty novices
good luck
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
mahomes, Dan Jones
kamara, mack, lindsay,Love, Pollard
antonio, AJG, thielen, sutton, kirk, Hurd, JJAW, Slayton, Gage
Hooper, Herndon
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Jimmy GQ, Brissett
DHenry, DJ, DFreeman, McKinnon, Darwin Thompson, CEH, JT/Mack
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Sutton,Jo Brown, Boyd, ]JJAW, Harmon, Preston Williams, Coulter, Collin Johnson
Andrews, Herndon, Fant, Albert O
team 3-superflex/TE premium 1-2QB 1-6RB 2-7WR 1-6TE (10 total)
R/W=.2ppc/1ppr/.25pt per target TE=1.5ppr/.35per target/.15per yd
also .1pt per return yd/.05 per attempt
Josh Allen,Jones, Love
Cook, Chubb, Sanders, Swift, Vaughn, Latavius
Lockett, Kupp, Jo Brown, Slayton, Preston Williams, Isabella, Hurd, Funchess, Edwards, Collin Johnson
Andrews, Herndon/Griffin, I Thomas, Fant, Moreau, Parham, Asiasi, Gronk

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Re: Luck trade dispute

Postby Prospector » Wed May 23, 2018 6:07 pm

Keep luck... load up on more qbs and let folks figure out what superflex really is and then come to you and cash out. How bizarre.


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