HughHoney wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:52 pmYes, but this year was an abberation because Treadwell blows and Diggs was hurt as well as Cooks. His targets were unsustainable even if he was an outside receiver. Way less likely as he plays the slot. Sorry for the confusion.The.Big.Spank wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:33 pmThis just isn’t true. Thielen was on the field for 93% of the Vikings offensive snaps. He played more snaps than Diggs in every week they both played except week 14 when Diggs had one more snap.
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Re: Thielen value
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TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,
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Re: Thielen value
Thielen isn’t a slot receiver that only plays in 3 WR sets though. He’s always on the field and plays outside too (read that 41% of his snaps were from the slot). Targets may very well decline and likely will but not because of his slot role.The.Big.Spank wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:42 pmYes, but this year was an abberation because Treadwell blows and Diggs was hurt as well as Cooks. His targets were unsustainable even if he was an outside receiver. Way less likely as he plays the slot. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Thielen value
Correct. Just like Baldwin, Fitzgerald, and Landry. Sometimes a slot receiver can be his team's best (or 2nd best) receiverHughHoney wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:10 pmThielen isn’t a slot receiver that only plays in 3 WR sets though. He’s always on the field and plays outside too (read that 41% of his snaps were from the slot). Targets may very well decline and likely will but not because of his slot role.The.Big.Spank wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:42 pmYes, but this year was an abberation because Treadwell blows and Diggs was hurt as well as Cooks. His targets were unsustainable even if he was an outside receiver. Way less likely as he plays the slot. Sorry for the confusion.
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KITTLE
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HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
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KELCE, Schultz
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BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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KITTLE, Goedert
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BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
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KELCE, Schultz
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Re: Thielen value
1.04 is not unreasonable. If the other owner balks, at least you don't have to feel like you were low-balling for the pick.
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Re: Thielen value
I think the 1.04 is great value for thielan. I just received an offer of Gordon and Powell for my thielan. I declined only on the uncertainty of Gordon and being burned in the past. Not sure I made a good decision there.
Re: Thielen value
Lazy analysis by the "slot receiver" shamer.
All you had to do was look up percentage of plays the last 1 1/2 seasons or actually have watched any one of their games.
All you had to do was look up percentage of plays the last 1 1/2 seasons or actually have watched any one of their games.
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Re: Thielen value
Haha for real.
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BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
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KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
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HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
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SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
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KELCE, Schultz
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Re: Thielen value
I actually do feel like his numbers are sustainable. I would buy him all day long at 1.07-1.08. This dude is the real deal.
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QB-Big Ben, Dalton
RB-Freeman, Ingram, Hyde, Gallman, Richard
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TE-Kelce, Burton, Butt,
Re: Thielen value
I'd rather have Thielen but feel rookie fever brings the value to the 1.04 side.
With regards to the percentage and stats of thicken I CBA looking them up but I know from watching some games this season is that he gets moved around which is great for his scoring potential, spending some time time in the slot gives him a very safe floor in PPR, then the upside for big plays and TDs when moved outside and what not.
So to summarise a WR with a safe floor and big play/TD upside?
Ill take that all day long
With regards to the percentage and stats of thicken I CBA looking them up but I know from watching some games this season is that he gets moved around which is great for his scoring potential, spending some time time in the slot gives him a very safe floor in PPR, then the upside for big plays and TDs when moved outside and what not.
So to summarise a WR with a safe floor and big play/TD upside?
Ill take that all day long
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RB Bijan, Gibbs, Jamaal, CEH, Allgeier, Brown
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TE Hockenson Ferguson,
K Elliot
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DT Donald Zach Allen
DE Crosby, Van Ness, Turner, Wonnum,
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CB Stream
S Bynum, Blankenship fuller, grant,
2024 - 1.03, 3.05, 3.12, 6th
2025 2, 3,4,5,6
Re: Thielen value
Fair value but I think I’d take Thielen here. I agree that this season is unlikely sustainable, but whoever’s playing qb in Minny next year is going to see a guy who always seemed to be open when they needed a first or when they were in the red zone
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