Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

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Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby iron » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:11 pm

Team 1 below.

For paying League FAAB, I can post Demaryius as a RFA and receive a 1st round pick if someone makes a high enough bid.

They would lose their bid money and their 1st round pick. If no one bids, I pay the cash and keep DT.

If I don't post him, I just lose him and keep FAAB money. I would lose about 1/3 of my stash. Since I went all-in and won this year, I have the least cash of the 16 teams for free agents already.

Even though I don't think he is worth a 1st, this would be the cheapest way to keep him even though he may not get bid on, but it will keep my starters intact for another playoff run in '18.

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Team 1 (14 team)

QB- K.Murray,,Lock, Brissett
RB- D.Cook, JRobinson ,Mattison, Coleman, J.White, E.Benjamin
WR- Hopkins, Evans,, Hamler, Fitz, DeSean Jax, Stills, V.Jefferson, T.Smith
TE- Hurst, Ebron,, Akins, Cox, Dissly, Uzomah, Jarwin

Team 2 (16)

QB- Wilson,Rivers, Luton, Rudolph
RB- E.Elliott, Kamara, Edmonds, B.Scott, Gaskin, L.Murray, Love, Perine, JJ Taylor
WR- K.Allen, M.Evans, Fitzgerald, R.Cobb, D.Jackson, Pascal, D.Robinson, Watson, Devernay
TE- Hooper, Ertz, Schultz, Alie-Cox, Arnold, Okwuegbunam, Hollister

Team 3 (16)

QB- Mariota,, Foles, K.Allen, Kizer
RB- D.Harris, Hynes, Mattison, AJ Dillon, Ozigbo
WR- D.Parker, Peoples-Jones, Pascal, Funchess, Isabella
TE- Boyle, Deguara,

2021 picks- 1.6, 2.2, 2.4, 2.11, 2.14, 3.14, 3.15, 4.1, 4.11, 5.2, 5.4, 5.5
2022 picks- 1st (5 picks), 2nd (4 picks), 3rd (2 picks), 4th (1 pick), 5th (2 picks)

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby vixen » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:22 pm

i would not pay a first round pick...some may disagree though..
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby BradysBunch » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:32 pm

I also would not pay a first for him
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby dchurch85 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:33 pm

I wouldn't pay a 1st for him as well
12 team .20 pt per carry 1 ppr RB/ WR 1.5 PPR TE 1 qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 te 1 superflex 1 flex

QB- Watson Ben Dalton
RB- Kamara Conner Cook Royce Mack Samuels Latavius
WR- Evans AB Keenan Kupp Marvin Kirk Deasean Foster Parker
TE- Ebron Engram Doyle Walker
2020 - 2 2nds

12 team .20 pt per carry 1pt PPR 1 qb 2 rb 3 wr 1 TE 1 flex
QB - Winston Darnold
RB- Tevin Royce Penny Yeldon
WR - Golladay Davis Godwin Kirk John B. Higgins
TE - Henry Vance
DEF - Balt
2019 - 1.02 1.05 1.10 1.11 1.12 2.05 2.09 2.11 2.12

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby koalabear » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:59 pm

No, those days are over.
1. 12 team 1pt PPR. Start 1 QB, 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, 1-2 TE. Yr 7
QB: Murray, Stafford
RB: Dobbins, Sanders, Pearce
WR: Jefferson, Burks, JuJu
TE: Goedert, Everett
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

2. 12 team 1pt PPR. Start 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 3-5 WR, 1-3 TE. Yr 6.
QB: Jackson, Allen
RB: Akers, CEH
WR: Chase, M Brown, Pittman, M Williams
TE: Tonyan, Hooper
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

3. 12 team superflex, PPR (WR/RB/TE 1/1.25/1.5). Start 1-2 QB, 1-7 RB, WR, TE. Yr 5.
QB: Jackson, Prescott, Brady
RB: Singletary, Harris
WR: Jefferson, Adams, Burks, Evans, Lockett
TE: Hockenson
2023: 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby Goddard » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:10 pm

Talent wise, he's easily worth a first. However, I would only pay it if I were competing and felt confident that Denver will be able to fix their QB problem immediately. If not, his talent will be wasted again and by the time they get a QB, he'll be close to done.

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby slaughterrt » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:14 pm

Are you able to place a 2nd round tender on him? If so, I might consider. Then if no one bids, do you keep him for less than you would have for the first round tender?

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby cdm49er » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:29 pm

I'm hoping they land Cousins and he has a few strong years to end his career...if that was to happen you can maybe move him for a 2019 late 1st
Team 1: 12 team, FFPC Format TE Premium, 20 man roster
Start: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex, Flex, K, DEF
QB: Ryan, Mariota
RB: Ingram, Dion Lewis, Powell, Breida, Conner
WR: OBJ, Julio, Landry, Demaryius, Crabtree, Westbrook, Cole
TE: Delanie, Ebron


Team 2: 12 team, FFPC Format TE Premium, 20 man roster
Start: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex, Flex, K, DEF
QB: Jimmy G, Ryan, Bortles
RB: Cook, Burkhead, McGuire, Breida
WR: OBJ, Michael Thomas, Meredith, Cole, Treadwell
TE: Kittle, Burton


Team 3: 12 team, FFPC Format TE Premium, 20 man roster
Start: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex, Flex, K, DEF
QB: Jimmy G, Luck, Rivers
RB: Mixon, Dion Lewis, Howard, Ware, Doug Martin, Conner
WR: Michael Thomas, Josh Gordon, Corey Coleman, Parker, Fuller, Treadwell, Doctson
TE: Kittle, Burton

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby skip » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:17 am

16 team league...without question. He's worth a minimum of a late 1st in 12 team leagues.
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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby RB6 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:55 am

I agree he's probably worth a 1st in a 16 team, just not a price I'm personally willing to pay.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington

PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby skip » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:12 am

RB6 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:55 am I agree he's probably worth a 1st in a 16 team, just not a price I'm personally willing to pay.
I would be. Guaranteed there are people paying that kind of price for guys like Funchess, Kupp, etc. because they are caught up in the glamour of youth. Reality is that DT for the next few years will still be producing better numbers than they will. How many more years is Devante Parker going to keep costing a 1st round pick until owners finally give up? Plenty of names we could talk about with "upside"...It wouldn't surprise me if Moncrief leaves the Colts and his situation looks promising that there will be owners willing to gamble with a 1st on him as well despite 4 years of evidence. How many people here were giving up middle 1st round picks this past season for Marshawn Lynch? How can DT possibly be worth less?

DT is the "bird in the hand" who should still be viewed as a perennial 1,000+ yard receiver despite falling short of that number this year for the first time in 6 years. That's even with the current QB mess. He's someone I'm going to pursue again this offseason as his production will surely outpace his value to many (if they think he's not worth a 1st).
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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby iron » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:38 pm

slaughterrt wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:14 pm Are you able to place a 2nd round tender on him? If so, I might consider. Then if no one bids, do you keep him for less than you would have for the first round tender?
Not in this league. In my other league, yes, a 2nd Round tender is an option (and may do a post for that league at a later date).

If no one bids when I use the first round tender, I have to pay the $100 FAAB, but can keep him for 1-5 years. If I do not put the tender on him, I can bid as normal and maybe reacquire him for less than $100...
Start 1QB, 1-4RB, 1-4WR, 1-4TE. TE prem

Team 1 (14 team)

QB- K.Murray,,Lock, Brissett
RB- D.Cook, JRobinson ,Mattison, Coleman, J.White, E.Benjamin
WR- Hopkins, Evans,, Hamler, Fitz, DeSean Jax, Stills, V.Jefferson, T.Smith
TE- Hurst, Ebron,, Akins, Cox, Dissly, Uzomah, Jarwin

Team 2 (16)

QB- Wilson,Rivers, Luton, Rudolph
RB- E.Elliott, Kamara, Edmonds, B.Scott, Gaskin, L.Murray, Love, Perine, JJ Taylor
WR- K.Allen, M.Evans, Fitzgerald, R.Cobb, D.Jackson, Pascal, D.Robinson, Watson, Devernay
TE- Hooper, Ertz, Schultz, Alie-Cox, Arnold, Okwuegbunam, Hollister

Team 3 (16)

QB- Mariota,, Foles, K.Allen, Kizer
RB- D.Harris, Hynes, Mattison, AJ Dillon, Ozigbo
WR- D.Parker, Peoples-Jones, Pascal, Funchess, Isabella
TE- Boyle, Deguara,

2021 picks- 1.6, 2.2, 2.4, 2.11, 2.14, 3.14, 3.15, 4.1, 4.11, 5.2, 5.4, 5.5
2022 picks- 1st (5 picks), 2nd (4 picks), 3rd (2 picks), 4th (1 pick), 5th (2 picks)

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby iron » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:40 pm

Based on the responses, my intuition was right that it is a borderline call. I have a little time to decide. I agree that if Denver gets a decent QB, his value rises, but his baseline is around 1000 yd/6+ td. Thanks all.
Start 1QB, 1-4RB, 1-4WR, 1-4TE. TE prem

Team 1 (14 team)

QB- K.Murray,,Lock, Brissett
RB- D.Cook, JRobinson ,Mattison, Coleman, J.White, E.Benjamin
WR- Hopkins, Evans,, Hamler, Fitz, DeSean Jax, Stills, V.Jefferson, T.Smith
TE- Hurst, Ebron,, Akins, Cox, Dissly, Uzomah, Jarwin

Team 2 (16)

QB- Wilson,Rivers, Luton, Rudolph
RB- E.Elliott, Kamara, Edmonds, B.Scott, Gaskin, L.Murray, Love, Perine, JJ Taylor
WR- K.Allen, M.Evans, Fitzgerald, R.Cobb, D.Jackson, Pascal, D.Robinson, Watson, Devernay
TE- Hooper, Ertz, Schultz, Alie-Cox, Arnold, Okwuegbunam, Hollister

Team 3 (16)

QB- Mariota,, Foles, K.Allen, Kizer
RB- D.Harris, Hynes, Mattison, AJ Dillon, Ozigbo
WR- D.Parker, Peoples-Jones, Pascal, Funchess, Isabella
TE- Boyle, Deguara,

2021 picks- 1.6, 2.2, 2.4, 2.11, 2.14, 3.14, 3.15, 4.1, 4.11, 5.2, 5.4, 5.5
2022 picks- 1st (5 picks), 2nd (4 picks), 3rd (2 picks), 4th (1 pick), 5th (2 picks)

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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby whodunnit » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:34 pm

I'd totally do it. I don't think you're going to find better talent on waivers, so I'd be fine with spending the $100 for DT if I had to.
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Re: Is DT worth a 2018 1st Round Rookie Pick?

Postby vixen » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:29 pm

i would probably make him a RFA, but i don't know how valuable FAAB money is in this situation...
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris


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