My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

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My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby marshallsnextarrest » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:30 pm

I'm a big Hyde guy and the Watkins owner has offered to trade me Sammy and a 4th for Hyde. The fourth don't mean much to me but is Watkins ever going to be worth more than just his potential?
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:31 pm

Take that for sure.
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COOK/JACOBS/GURLEY, Shady, Gio, Gallman, Ollison, D Washington, M Davis, Laird, Scarlett, Ware, Rodney A
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby block2323 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Watkins would not be a receiver I would be targeting personally especially if I am trying to win. I understand wanting to move Hyde if you don't want to wait out FA to see where he lands but get a better receiver option at a similar price even if you end up paying more such as Landry, A-Rob, etc. You will regret Watkins compared to the other options you could land for a similar price.
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Start: 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, 1K, 1 Def

QB: T. Brady
RB: D. Johnson, N. Chubb, L. Fournette, C. Hyde, I. Smith, M. Davis
WR: OBJ, T. Hill, K. Allen, C. Kupp, D. Pettis, E. Sanders, D. Hamilton, R. Foster, J. Crowder, T. Patrick
TE: O. Howard, D. Goedert, C. Herndon
Def: Jax
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby TheRookiePro » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:53 pm

marshallsnextarrest wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:30 pm
I'm a big Hyde guy and the Watkins owner has offered to trade me Sammy and a 4th for Hyde. The fourth don't mean much to me but is Watkins ever going to be worth more than just his potential?
I'm bias because he's on my team. However, Watkins had some bad luck early on. And that fat p.o.s. Rex Ryan ruined his 2016 season by playing him on Thursday night, 4 days after Watkins felt pain in his surgically repaired foot. Being traded to a new team during the 3rd week of the preseason limited his potential this year.

The bad luck could keep coming. But the guy is still catching touchdowns, his foot is healed, and if he goes to a team like Dallas, Detroit, or Baltimore in the offseason, you won't be able to get him for just Hyde.
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WR-K. Allen, T. Hill, Josh Gordon, Golladay, Fitzgerald, S. Watkins, J. Reynolds, Enunwa,
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby darewood11 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:08 pm

I would like to see him go to Oakland myself
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby TheRookiePro » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:12 pm

darewood11 wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:08 pm
I would like to see him go to Oakland myself
Detroit for me. Playing on a fast surface with a locked-up franchise QB who can hit him with the deep ball.
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby vixen » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:13 pm

i would rather have watkins, so i would make the trade

and as a Watkins owner, i would love him to go to Detroit!
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antonio, AJG/Erickson, thielen, allison, sutton, kirk, Hurd, JJAW, Slayton
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby block2323 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:42 pm

When will the excuses end for Watkins? The fact of the matter is he is an over rated WR and the dynasty community keeps keying in on the fact the Bills traded up to draft him 4th overall in a loaded WR class and that he has all these measurable but can't actually turn it into fantasy production on the field on a consistent basis. He is in his 4th year and although he is young, his injury issues are not going away. Everyone can keep dreaming about him going to a better fantasy situation but until it happens and he starts producing, I wouldn't continue to treat him as some prized dynasty possession/target. There are many WRs I would choose over Watkins especially for the price many seek for him/think he's worth.
12 Team, .5 PPR, 9 Keepers, 21 Man Roster + 2 IR Spots
Start: 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex, 1 TE, 1K, 1 Def

QB: T. Brady
RB: D. Johnson, N. Chubb, L. Fournette, C. Hyde, I. Smith, M. Davis
WR: OBJ, T. Hill, K. Allen, C. Kupp, D. Pettis, E. Sanders, D. Hamilton, R. Foster, J. Crowder, T. Patrick
TE: O. Howard, D. Goedert, C. Herndon
Def: Jax
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby skip » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:54 pm

I'll take Watkins in part because he's a better talent and more so that I'd be selling Hyde like a hot potato.
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby darewood11 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:09 pm

Watkins injury issues stem from the broken foot mostly and that injury has been know to linger 2 seasons and require 2 surgeries so I dont really see him as a walking injury here. No continuously nagging soft tissue injuries and was healthy this season. Feed him the targets like nuk gets and let's see what happens. What happens to nuk if he only gets 3 to 4 targets a game.
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Dst- Broncos titans

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12 team ppr 25 man roster 
1qb 1rb 1wr 1te 4 flex
Qb Wentz Winston Rosen
Rb zeke Gordon ekeler mixon guice montgomery mckinnon
Wr woods ridley kirk agholor callaway grant zay jones moore reynolds
Te engram dissly

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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby HughHoney » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:02 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:31 pm
Take that for sure.
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QB: Wilson, Luck, Finley
RB: Da Johnson, Kamara, Gordon, J White, Hines, Samuels, Gio, Love, C Edmonds
WR: OBJ, Cooper, Kupp, Watkins, Pettis, Coutee, Deebo Samuel, Diontae Johnson, A Miller, K Harmon, Funchess, John Brown, D Thomas, J Meyers
TE: Kittle, Graham, Waller
DEF: KCC

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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby gogobradyarm » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:12 pm

Watkins is 24 years old and an elite talent that isn't getting the targets to be fantasy relevant. The key part is, "isn't getting the targets". That can change very quickly. If he goes elsehwere, his situation could explode. If he resigns, Goff could continue his QB development and start throwing his way. He is incredibly talented. Hyde is as well, but RB's switching teams on the later side of their 20's makes me a bit nervous.
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RB: Zeke, Cook, Chubb, Aaron Jones, Conner, Kerryon, Hunt
WR: Nuk, Julio, Hill, Adams, Diggs, Corey Davis, A.J. Brown, Valdes-Scantling, Curtis Samuel, Shepard, Christian Kirk, Dante Pettis, Hakeem Butler
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby The Red Rooster » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:32 pm

I'm taking Watkins but do not evaluate this trade thinking he won't be a Ram next year...they will not be letting him leave.

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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby hjernazian » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:42 am

can we stop saying Watkins will move? He's happy there, he's winning, and the Rams paid a 2nd for him... they won't let him walk. If dealing him, give him the offseason/preseason to gel with Goff. With that said, looks like Hyde is your RB3 and his situation is very fluid... i still dont get why SF hates him so much. I honestly don't know what I would do here, I'm a Sammy owner but he is my WR4/5 at this point, and need a RB3 desperately.. so I may pull it if I've exhausted other options.
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QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant

2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06

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RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
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Re: My Hyde for Sammy Watkins

Postby TheRookiePro » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:59 pm

hjernazian wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:42 am
can we stop saying Watkins will move?
Sounds a bit melodramatic, but ok. Can't speak for everyone else, but when in discussion over Watkins future--or any free agent for that matter--I always use the precede the statement with the conjunction "if".

Safe money is likely on the Rams, but while in the conversation of money and free agency, you can never be absolutely sure if another team will desperately overpay.
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