What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

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What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby zoster80 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:03 pm

A guy in my Zo Nasty league is looking to move Kelce, he's wants a TE back and isn't interested in Ebron...so Ertz + what pick should close the gap?
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby hord » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:04 pm

personally, I don't have them that far off... I wouldn't add much
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby Hottoddies » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:17 pm

A 2nd perhaps
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby Goddard » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:38 pm

I agree, I think a year from now, these two can be equal in value. For this year though, a 2nd seems reasonable.

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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:49 pm

Round 1. Ertz is really good, Kelce is elite.

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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby EAGLES » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:53 pm

I think they’re pretty close in value as well. I’d add a 2nd and see what he says
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:03 pm

Ertz plus a First
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby lilpuppy99 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:05 pm

I would say Kelce has more value in trade just on name value. To having on your roster though they are both very close and I wouldn't pay the extra for Kelce. Is your scoring system a PPR? If so, look at their last 3 years production..This year Kelce is 16.85 Fppg, Ertz is 16, in 2016 Kelce had 13.8 fppg, Ertz had 13 fppg, and in 2015, Kelce had 11.8 Fppg and Ertz had 11.5 fppg.

I don't see much of a difference.
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby hord » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:14 pm

lilpuppy99 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:05 pm
I would say Kelce has more value in trade just on name value. To having on your roster though they are both very close and I wouldn't pay the extra for Kelce. Is your scoring system a PPR? If so, look at their last 3 years production..This year Kelce is 16.85 Fppg, Ertz is 16, in 2016 Kelce had 13.8 fppg, Ertz had 13 fppg, and in 2015, Kelce had 11.8 Fppg and Ertz had 11.5 fppg.

I don't see much of a difference.
yeah I own ertz.. and I would actually have to really think if I was offered kelce straight up... I know the name alone holds more value, but I feel like ertz is needed more to his qb than kelce, if that makes sense... kc has a great run game, and usually game flow tends to favour the run... where philly is more of a pass happy offence and ertz is really becoming a favourite target for wentz...
that's just my opinion though
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby M-Dub » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:52 pm

hord wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:14 pm
lilpuppy99 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:05 pm
I would say Kelce has more value in trade just on name value. To having on your roster though they are both very close and I wouldn't pay the extra for Kelce. Is your scoring system a PPR? If so, look at their last 3 years production..This year Kelce is 16.85 Fppg, Ertz is 16, in 2016 Kelce had 13.8 fppg, Ertz had 13 fppg, and in 2015, Kelce had 11.8 Fppg and Ertz had 11.5 fppg.

I don't see much of a difference.

yeah I own ertz.. and I would actually have to really think if I was offered kelce straight up... I know the name alone holds more value, but I feel like ertz is needed more to his qb than kelce, if that makes sense... kc has a great run game, and usually game flow tends to favour the run... where philly is more of a pass happy offence and ertz is really becoming a favourite target for wentz...
that's just my opinion though
I'm a fairly recent Ertz owner. Just acquired him this offseason and couldn't be happier with my investment. Having a TE that can put up 15-16 points without even getting in the end zone is quite comforting. I would still probably trade him for Kelce straight up, but that's mainly due to the "name value" that lilpuppy mentioned. I see it as a lateral move, and I wouldn't even add a 2nd.
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby knotts4372 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:48 pm

im not adding anything of substance to get kelce. they will give you similar production so why just throw away the extra piece for a small if any upgrade. best i'd do is a 3rd or comparable player
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby joeylitz » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:31 am

E-A-G-L-E-S wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:53 pm
I think they’re pretty close in value as well. I’d add a 2nd and see what he says
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I'd offer the second as it is still a fair offer and he may accept it. If he wants a first, then he can counter and you can decide if you're willing to part with one.

I posted this before reading the rest of the comments. After reading the rest, I suppose you only trade for Kelce if you're a Chefs fan or MUST have him
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby The Pyrate » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:08 am

In ppr, I think the two are coming close to equal. I'd send a 3rd plus Ertz to start the conversation. If we wants a higher pick, he should also add some extra pieces.
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby cvbuc » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:53 am

There is zero chance I'm shifting from Kelce to Ertz for a 2nd. Zero. Chance.

Those of you who think otherwise simply do not deserve to be Kelce owners. I feel like you're the same ones still trying to convince me that Amari Cooper is elite.
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Re: What's the difference between Kelce and Ertz

Postby hockeyBjj » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:02 am

Ertz has been doing great this year and Kelce owners overvalue him by a lot. Not sure sure you can get it done for less than a first, and I wouldn't want to give up a first for that
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