Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Kelce vs OJ Howard +
OJ owner has approached me for kelce and asked OJ + what? He has the best team for this season but he's old. Don't want to make him better but if I can get an early 2018 1st plus a 2nd and OJ should I pull the trigger? If you vote no please comment what your price would be? Players of note on his bench are CJA, Ingram, K Benjamin, davante parker.
Team 1:
2QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3RWT 0PPR 8Teams
QBs: Brady, Wentz, Prescott, Trubisky
RBs: Gurley, Cook, Lindsay, Henry, Lewis, Hyde, Murray
WRs: Hill, Cooper, ARobinson, Sutton, Fitzgerald, TSmith(NO), Parker, Cain
TEs: Kelce, Burton, Engram
Def: Rams
K:
2019 Picks 3, 4
2020 Picks: 3, 3, 4
Team 2:
2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2WRT 1PPR 8TEAMS
QBs: Mahomes, Wentz, Lock, Carr, Mariota
WRs: MThomas, DAdams, ACooper, OBJ, Kupp, RAnderson, Renfro, Shepherd, Agholor, JMeyers
RBs: Mixon, Henry, Drake, JK Dobbins, Akers, Howard, McKinnon, Hyde, Pollard, DThompson
TEs: Waller, Engram, Graham, Eifert
K: Zeurlein
2020 Picks: 1.06 (JK Dobbins) acquired 1.09 OTC (Akers) 14 overall, 17 overall
2021 Picks: 2nd, 3rd
2QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 3RWT 0PPR 8Teams
QBs: Brady, Wentz, Prescott, Trubisky
RBs: Gurley, Cook, Lindsay, Henry, Lewis, Hyde, Murray
WRs: Hill, Cooper, ARobinson, Sutton, Fitzgerald, TSmith(NO), Parker, Cain
TEs: Kelce, Burton, Engram
Def: Rams
K:
2019 Picks 3, 4
2020 Picks: 3, 3, 4
Team 2:
2QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 2WRT 1PPR 8TEAMS
QBs: Mahomes, Wentz, Lock, Carr, Mariota
WRs: MThomas, DAdams, ACooper, OBJ, Kupp, RAnderson, Renfro, Shepherd, Agholor, JMeyers
RBs: Mixon, Henry, Drake, JK Dobbins, Akers, Howard, McKinnon, Hyde, Pollard, DThompson
TEs: Waller, Engram, Graham, Eifert
K: Zeurlein
2020 Picks: 1.06 (JK Dobbins) acquired 1.09 OTC (Akers) 14 overall, 17 overall
2021 Picks: 2nd, 3rd
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
I'd take it if you get that early first. That alone could be worth more than Kelce.
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Getting a first round pick is nice but you'd be giving up the current TE1 to have 2 raw rookies. I think I would hold for now.
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
If his team is stacked, I might do it simply because your window to win is likely to start in a year or two. Adding OJ and whoever from that early 2018 1st to Carr, Dak, Gurley, Freeman, Cook, Robinson, Cooper, Williams, Doctson, Martavis, Engram is a good core for later. He might win this season, but you need to decide when and how you're going to win. Worry about you, not about him.
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
That's an overpay for Kelce unless you're a TE away from really competing.
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
If you can get an early 1st, Howard AND a 2nd for Kelce, I'd do that pretty easily.
10 team SF .5ppr-QB,2RB,3WR,TE,Flex,SF,Def (30 spots)
QB: Allen, AR, Brissett
RB: Mixon,Barkley,Rhamondre,Foreman
WR: Deebo,Adams,Jeudy, Devonta,Nuk
TE: Knox,Chig, Woods, Ferguson
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2024 picks: 3 2nds
2025 picks: 3 2nds
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RB: Mixon,Barkley,Rhamondre,Foreman
WR: Deebo,Adams,Jeudy, Devonta,Nuk
TE: Knox,Chig, Woods, Ferguson
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Agree that it's good value for Kelce, but as Petrolbomber points out it more than likely hurts you in 2017.
If you're looking to re-tool your squad, I'd take that deal. If you think you've got a shot to compete I'd probably hold. You already added a shot of youth at TE with Engram.
If you're looking to re-tool your squad, I'd take that deal. If you think you've got a shot to compete I'd probably hold. You already added a shot of youth at TE with Engram.
14 Team, No-PPR, 20 Man Roster, TD Heavy, TD = 6, FG = 3, Start: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D
QB: L. Jackson, B. Purdy, T. Lance
RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
WR: J. Chase, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, J. Reed, C. Tillman
TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan
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QB: L. Jackson, T. Tagovailoa
RB: B. Robinson, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, K. Herbertl
WR: C. Olave, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, N. Collins, Z. Flowers, M. Mims
TE: K. Pitts, D. Njoku
QB: L. Jackson, B. Purdy, T. Lance
RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
WR: J. Chase, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, J. Reed, C. Tillman
TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan
14 Team, .5 PPR, 18 Man Roster, Rush/Rec TD = 6, Pass TD = 4, FG = 3, Start: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D
QB: L. Jackson, T. Tagovailoa
RB: B. Robinson, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, K. Herbertl
WR: C. Olave, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, N. Collins, Z. Flowers, M. Mims
TE: K. Pitts, D. Njoku
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
I might be the biggest advocate for Kelce that there is. He is the starting TE for every team that I own. I was ALL-IN on him coming out of college and think his best years are still ahead.
Having said all of that...
If you're going to trade him, this is the exact type of deal you should be getting in return. (Not Olsen and a 2nd like on the other thread today).
You would have to be very patient with Howard and you'd have to be a team not in full contention mode (unless you had another top 6 or 7 scoring TE rostered). If that's the case - this is a good deal.
Having said all of that...
If you're going to trade him, this is the exact type of deal you should be getting in return. (Not Olsen and a 2nd like on the other thread today).
You would have to be very patient with Howard and you'd have to be a team not in full contention mode (unless you had another top 6 or 7 scoring TE rostered). If that's the case - this is a good deal.
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12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
12 Team PPR League / 5pt passing TDs
2020 & 2021 CHAMPS (2022 Runner Up)
Start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1Flex 1TE 1K 23 Man Active Roster / 3 TAXI SQUAD SPOT
QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
TE - Kelce, C. Otton, I. Likely, D. Washington
K - B. Aubrey
DEF - Eagles, Dolphins
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Piling on, huge Kelce fan, but that's too much value to pass on
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
I'd take that for kelce. Too much value there to pas up
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Same here. I like Kelce, but I'd easily take the Howard side. He seems like a stud TE in the making himself.
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Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
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QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
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RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Hard to pass up the value. Kelce is a STUD and I'm not fully sold on OJ Howard making a huge difference in the passing game, at least for the first year or two. Your team seems like it's between competing and rebuilding, so I'd make the trade easily.
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12-team, 0.5 PPR, SuperFlex, TE Premium (+0.5 PPR) | 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLEX, 1SF
QB: Hurts, Herbert, Cousins, Purdy
RB: Taylor, Barkley, Swift, Mixon, N.Harris, Hunt, Dobbins
WR: Jefferson, Adams, Metcalf, Godwin, Ridley, Lockett, Cooks
TE: Kittle, Njoku, Gesicki
Team 2
12-team, PPR | 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX
QB: Wilson, Jones
RB: Robinson, Gibbs, Mixon, Sanders, R. White
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Lockett, Addison, D. Johnson, Meyers, Campbell, R. Moore
TE: Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant
12-team, 0.5 PPR, SuperFlex, TE Premium (+0.5 PPR) | 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 3FLEX, 1SF
QB: Hurts, Herbert, Cousins, Purdy
RB: Taylor, Barkley, Swift, Mixon, N.Harris, Hunt, Dobbins
WR: Jefferson, Adams, Metcalf, Godwin, Ridley, Lockett, Cooks
TE: Kittle, Njoku, Gesicki
Team 2
12-team, PPR | 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX
QB: Wilson, Jones
RB: Robinson, Gibbs, Mixon, Sanders, R. White
WR: Lamb, Godwin, Lockett, Addison, D. Johnson, Meyers, Campbell, R. Moore
TE: Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
Agreed with most posts. If you want to compete in 2017 you'll need to make another move to get a vet TE but this is too much value to pass up.
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QB - Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford
RB - Leondard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Jamaal Williams, Chris Carson, CJ Prosise
WR - Keenan Allen, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Williams, Kenny Golladay, Chirs Godwin, Keelan Cole, Quincy Enunwa
TE - Zach Ertz, Eric Ebron, Austin Seferian-Jenkins
2018 Picks - 1.01, 2.04
16 Team 0.5 PPR. 20 man roster. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex.
QB - Marcus Mariota, Trevor Siemian
RB - Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Jamaal Williams, Alex Collins
WR - AJ Green, TY Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Davante Adams, Will Fuller, Malcolm Mitchell, Kenny Golladay
TE - Austin Hooper, Austin Seferian-Jenkins, George Kittle
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QB - Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford
RB - Leondard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Jamaal Williams, Chris Carson, CJ Prosise
WR - Keenan Allen, Davante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Mike Williams, Kenny Golladay, Chirs Godwin, Keelan Cole, Quincy Enunwa
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RB - Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, Jamaal Williams, Alex Collins
WR - AJ Green, TY Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Davante Adams, Will Fuller, Malcolm Mitchell, Kenny Golladay
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
I agree with this...cvbuc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:16 pm I might be the biggest advocate for Kelce that there is. He is the starting TE for every team that I own. I was ALL-IN on him coming out of college and think his best years are still ahead.
Having said all of that...
If you're going to trade him, this is the exact type of deal you should be getting in return. (Not Olsen and a 2nd like on the other thread today).
You would have to be very patient with Howard and you'd have to be a team not in full contention mode (unless you had another top 6 or 7 scoring TE rostered). If that's the case - this is a good deal.
Team 1: 10 TEAM PPR. 0.2 PPC 2QB 3RB 4WR 1TE 1FLEX 2IDP 1 D/ST 1K
QBs - Bridgewater, Cousins, Darnold, Rudolph
RBs - Miles Sanders, Ronald Jones, Mixon, Fournette, Mike Davis, Gio Bernard, T. Coleman, Damien Williams, Love
WRs - DHop, Chris Godwin, DK Metcalf, DJ Chark, Beckham Jr, DJ Moore, Sutton, Kirk, Edelman, Tre'Quan Smith, Anthony Miller, Van Jefferson, Jalen Guyton, Peoples-Jones, Marcus Johnson
TEs- Kittle, Hockenson, Tonyan, Njoku, Trautman
IDP: Lavonte David, Roquan Smith
K: Greg Zuerlein
Team 2: 12 Team PPR 1QB, 3RB, 4WR, 1TE, 1FLEX
QBs - Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, Lock, Eason
RBs - Barkley, Cook, Swift, Cam Akers, Mack, K. Johnson,
WRs - Michael Thomas, A Robinson II, Chark Jr, Tee Higgins, Woods, Sutton, B Edwards, Hardman, Zach Pascal, Van Jefferson, Berrios, Gandy-Golden, Tyler Johnson, P Campbell
TE - Fant, Ebron, Kmet
QBs - Bridgewater, Cousins, Darnold, Rudolph
RBs - Miles Sanders, Ronald Jones, Mixon, Fournette, Mike Davis, Gio Bernard, T. Coleman, Damien Williams, Love
WRs - DHop, Chris Godwin, DK Metcalf, DJ Chark, Beckham Jr, DJ Moore, Sutton, Kirk, Edelman, Tre'Quan Smith, Anthony Miller, Van Jefferson, Jalen Guyton, Peoples-Jones, Marcus Johnson
TEs- Kittle, Hockenson, Tonyan, Njoku, Trautman
IDP: Lavonte David, Roquan Smith
K: Greg Zuerlein
Team 2: 12 Team PPR 1QB, 3RB, 4WR, 1TE, 1FLEX
QBs - Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, Lock, Eason
RBs - Barkley, Cook, Swift, Cam Akers, Mack, K. Johnson,
WRs - Michael Thomas, A Robinson II, Chark Jr, Tee Higgins, Woods, Sutton, B Edwards, Hardman, Zach Pascal, Van Jefferson, Berrios, Gandy-Golden, Tyler Johnson, P Campbell
TE - Fant, Ebron, Kmet
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Re: Kelce vs OJ Howard +
You seem like you have a team that can compete now. Trading Kelce would definitely lessen your chances as Howard will take some time to get going as do most TE's, 3 years+. Kelce is going to have a big season with Maclin gone. But that would be a good haul. Get him to throw in Parker. So Kelce, 2018 second for OJ, 2018 first, Parker. $$$
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QB - J. Hurts, M. Stafford, K. Cousins
RB - S. Barkley, D. Cook, E. Elliot, T. Pollard, A. Mattison
WR - D. Adams, DK Metcalf, A. Cooper, C. Ridley, R. Anderson, C. Davis, J. Jones
TE - M. Andrews, G. Kittle, M. Cox
QB - J. Hurts, M. Stafford, K. Cousins
RB - S. Barkley, D. Cook, E. Elliot, T. Pollard, A. Mattison
WR - D. Adams, DK Metcalf, A. Cooper, C. Ridley, R. Anderson, C. Davis, J. Jones
TE - M. Andrews, G. Kittle, M. Cox
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