Samuel or Thielen?

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Samuel or Thielen?

Postby nabright » Fri May 26, 2017 8:45 am

Which would you rather have for the team in signature?
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12tm, Super-flex, 1PPR, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/OP
QB: ARod, Wilson, Goff, Winston, Taysom Hill
RB: Cook, Mack, Barber, L. Murray, Ito Smith, Bibbs
WR: ARob, Kupp, Miller(Chi), Agholar, Doctson, Grant, Gordon Z. Jones, Quinn(Wsh), Wilson(Mia)
TE: Reed, Ebron, Andrews, V. Davis, Gates, Herndon
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12tm, Super-flex, 1PPR, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/FLEX/OP
QB: Luck, Tanny, Goff
RB: Henry, Drake
WR: Nuk, ARob, Cooper, JuJu, Shepard, Hurns, Lockett, Stewart, Kupp
TE: Doyle, Allen, Clay
Team 3
14tm Super-flex, 1.5PPR and 1.5pts per 10yds for TEs, 1PPR for WRs, .5ppr and .25ppc for RBs. start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/FLEX/OP
QB: Luck, Goff, Jones
RB: Henry, Ekeler, Howard, Hines, Kelley, McKinnon, Samuels
WR: Cooks, Ridley, Ross, Callaway, Moncreif, MWilliams, Enunwa, Kupp, Golladay, Kearse, Reynolds
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby joshuawrobbins » Fri May 26, 2017 9:13 am

I'd rather have Samuel
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Qb:Newton,Manning, McCown, Peterman
Rb:Ajayi, Miller, Peterson, Ingram, Langford, Drake, Ervin
Wr:Julio, Brown, Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jackson, Thielen, Golladay, Wheaton, Agholor, Brax Miller, Kerley, Higgins, R. Sheppard
Te:Fleener, Pitta, Brate, Higbee
D/ST:Patriots, Bucs

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Wilson, Rivers
Gurley, Kamara, Coleman, Mack, Carson, Ware, Collins
Adams, Allen, Jeffery, Tate, Edelman,, Lockett, Shepard, Tre’Quan Smith, Kirk, MVS, Taylor, Hamilton
Ebron, Gisecki, Herndon, Seals-Jones

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby dlf_brianh » Fri May 26, 2017 9:15 am

Theilen is undervalued in my opinion. I think this is awfully close.
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri May 26, 2017 9:27 am

Thielen inflated his #'s with that one monster game but gadget players don't usually translate to FF.

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby IR1 » Fri May 26, 2017 9:55 am

Thielen, Samuel if rookie fever is in place
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QB- Wilson, Herbert
RB-Kamara, Mixon, Dobbins, Akers, DHarris
WR-Adams, Evans, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Harry
TE- Kelce, Fant, Goedert, Njoku
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DE- JBosa, Watt, Barnett, Gross-Matos
LB- D Jones, Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner , Simmons, Evans
CB- Moore, Hill, Bradberry, Bless
S- Clark, HSmith, Johnson, Dugger
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby dlf_brianh » Fri May 26, 2017 10:05 am

Space Cowboy wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 9:27 am
Thielen inflated his #'s with that one monster game but gadget players don't usually translate to FF.
Yeah, I agree that game definitely inflated his numbers. At the same time, I watched the entirety of that game and "gadget player" definitely didn't cross my mind. More like, "are we seeing a guy that is about to break out in a big way?". His value is probably tied to Treadwell's emergence (or lack thereof) somewhat, and also that offense in general I suppose. If Treadwell doesn't take the next step, Theilen will continue to be undervalued, because he certainly isn't going to get beat out by Michael freaking Floyd. Diggs will Diggs, but Theilen is their 2nd best option in the passing game. I guess I'm not a big Samuel guy either. He's more of a gadget player to me than Theilen.
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby DBass218 » Fri May 26, 2017 10:10 am

I'd prefer the guy with greater upside and it's Samuel easily IMO.
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WR: Julio Jones, Mike Evans, DeAndre Hopkins, Kenny Golladay, Christian Kirk, Terry McLaurin, Courtland Sutton, Golden Tate, Curtis Samuel, Parris Campbell, Steven Sims, Dede Westbrook
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri May 26, 2017 10:16 am

Brian wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 10:05 am
Space Cowboy wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 9:27 am
Thielen inflated his #'s with that one monster game but gadget players don't usually translate to FF.
Yeah, I agree that game definitely inflated his numbers. At the same time, I watched the entirety of that game and "gadget player" definitely didn't cross my mind. More like, "are we seeing a guy that is about to break out in a big way?". His value is probably tied to Treadwell's emergence (or lack thereof) somewhat, and also that offense in general I suppose. If Treadwell doesn't take the next step, Theilen will continue to be undervalued, because he certainly isn't going to get beat out by Michael freaking Floyd. Diggs will Diggs, but Theilen is their 2nd best option in the passing game. I guess I'm not a big Samuel guy either. He's more of a gadget player to me than Theilen.
Sorry Brian, I was implying Samuel is the gadget player but was too lazy to create two sentences or throw in a comma. :dance:

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby dlf_brianh » Fri May 26, 2017 10:20 am

Space Cowboy wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 10:16 am
Brian wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 10:05 am
Space Cowboy wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 9:27 am
Thielen inflated his #'s with that one monster game but gadget players don't usually translate to FF.
Yeah, I agree that game definitely inflated his numbers. At the same time, I watched the entirety of that game and "gadget player" definitely didn't cross my mind. More like, "are we seeing a guy that is about to break out in a big way?". His value is probably tied to Treadwell's emergence (or lack thereof) somewhat, and also that offense in general I suppose. If Treadwell doesn't take the next step, Theilen will continue to be undervalued, because he certainly isn't going to get beat out by Michael freaking Floyd. Diggs will Diggs, but Theilen is their 2nd best option in the passing game. I guess I'm not a big Samuel guy either. He's more of a gadget player to me than Theilen.
Sorry Brian, I was implying Samuel is the gadget player but was too lazy to create two sentences or throw in a comma. :dance:
Ah, gotcha haha. No worries, and I agree.
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby nabright » Fri May 26, 2017 10:42 am

I went ahead and took Thielen. I think he's a good player and provides a little insurance for Treadwell
Team 1
12tm, Super-flex, 1PPR, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/OP
QB: ARod, Wilson, Goff, Winston, Taysom Hill
RB: Cook, Mack, Barber, L. Murray, Ito Smith, Bibbs
WR: ARob, Kupp, Miller(Chi), Agholar, Doctson, Grant, Gordon Z. Jones, Quinn(Wsh), Wilson(Mia)
TE: Reed, Ebron, Andrews, V. Davis, Gates, Herndon
Team 2
12tm, Super-flex, 1PPR, start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/FLEX/OP
QB: Luck, Tanny, Goff
RB: Henry, Drake
WR: Nuk, ARob, Cooper, JuJu, Shepard, Hurns, Lockett, Stewart, Kupp
TE: Doyle, Allen, Clay
Team 3
14tm Super-flex, 1.5PPR and 1.5pts per 10yds for TEs, 1PPR for WRs, .5ppr and .25ppc for RBs. start QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/FLEX/OP
QB: Luck, Goff, Jones
RB: Henry, Ekeler, Howard, Hines, Kelley, McKinnon, Samuels
WR: Cooks, Ridley, Ross, Callaway, Moncreif, MWilliams, Enunwa, Kupp, Golladay, Kearse, Reynolds
TE: Howard, Hurst

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby joshuawrobbins » Fri May 26, 2017 10:59 am

I don't know if I buy in or it's all just coach speak, but the word in Minnesota is that treadwell has been making strides and has a better understanding of the playbook and looks impressive this offseason
Team 1
12 team, 1 pt. ppr, super-flex
Qb:Newton,Manning, McCown, Peterman
Rb:Ajayi, Miller, Peterson, Ingram, Langford, Drake, Ervin
Wr:Julio, Brown, Jeffery, Fitzgerald, Jackson, Thielen, Golladay, Wheaton, Agholor, Brax Miller, Kerley, Higgins, R. Sheppard
Te:Fleener, Pitta, Brate, Higbee
D/ST:Patriots, Bucs

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Wilson, Rivers
Gurley, Kamara, Coleman, Mack, Carson, Ware, Collins
Adams, Allen, Jeffery, Tate, Edelman,, Lockett, Shepard, Tre’Quan Smith, Kirk, MVS, Taylor, Hamilton
Ebron, Gisecki, Herndon, Seals-Jones

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby bot » Fri May 26, 2017 11:32 am

joshuawrobbins wrote:
Fri May 26, 2017 10:59 am
I don't know if I buy in or it's all just coach speak, but the word in Minnesota is that treadwell has been making strides and has a better understanding of the playbook and looks impressive this offseason
How can it be worse? :think:

Anyway, I would rather have Theilen since I know he can produce in the NFL. I like Samuel but I have to see that Carolina play calling will be creative enough to get Samuel the ball in situations where he can succeed. Plus I would like to see how they plan to use both CMC and Samuel together to get a better feel of Samuel's true value.

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri May 26, 2017 12:00 pm

Theilen had 20 catches in his first two years. It takes time to learn the WR position. Not pretending Treadwell is a star in the making but he's going super cheap these days.

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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby Honey Badgers » Fri May 26, 2017 12:02 pm

Thielen
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Re: Samuel or Thielen?

Postby 23B_Mills » Fri May 26, 2017 12:34 pm

I think that Adam Thielen is a good real football player. Good routes, hands, etc... but I'd rather have the theoretical upside of Samuel on my team.
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10 Team, Superflex, PPR -- 6pts/TD Pass, 1.5pts/10 rush yards 1pt. per 25 KR/PR yards
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RB: Howard, Cook, Rawls, Prosise, Richard, Conner, Alfred Blue
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TE: Brate, Njoku, Higbee, Jonnu Smith
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