Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

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Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby dynastyfanatic » Mon May 15, 2017 8:55 pm

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THIS WILL BE MY LAST HOWARD QUESTION! :) Please note its a standard league. Any standard league owners please help me.

Give 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03 for Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03

Please look at my team below and let me know what helps my team the most to win a championship this yr+

I feel like another solid 3 down RB would put my team in an even better spot to win it all this year.

Losing Allen sucks, but I have Watkins and ARob to back him up when he is gone.

I feel the 1.3 (Mixon) is even with Howard. Mixon's upside is higher probably, but his floor this year is much lower.

I can afford to lose Allen if this improves my roster. I understand Im selling low on Allen.

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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby Goddard » Mon May 15, 2017 9:24 pm

If you think the 1.03 is even with Howard, why would you give away Allen for a 2nd and 3rd? I don't really like this deal that much.

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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby Alex116 » Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Goddard wrote: Mon May 15, 2017 9:24 pm If you think the 1.03 is even with Howard, why would you give away Allen for a 2nd and 3rd? I don't really like this deal that much.
This! Way too much being given up here. I'd roll with Mixon personally. I mean, just how proven is Howard really?

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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby dynastyfanatic » Tue May 16, 2017 5:56 am

I think the win now value of Howard is higher. Allen is expendable to me and in our league Wrs are undervalued.

I would be hard pressed to get a 1st rnd for Allen in our league.

I understand it doesn't make sense value wise piece vs piece but I'm trying to win this yr. Allen will barely crack my starting lineup.

I feel Howard would start every week in my flex spot over Ingram and Allen
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby pierson242 » Tue May 16, 2017 6:01 am

evanhp wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 5:56 am I think the win now value of Howard is higher. Allen is expendable to me and in our league Wrs are undervalued.

I would be hard pressed to get a 1st rnd for Allen in our league.

I understand it doesn't make sense value wise piece vs piece but I'm trying to win this yr. Allen will barely crack my starting lineup.

I feel Howard would start every week in my flex spot over Ingram and Allen
Just because WRs are "undervalued" doesn't mean you sell low on them all! Your team has a lot of question marks. Who's to say you don't need Allen this year. What if Watkins is hurt again, what if Miller or Ingram loose their job. You go from moving Allen and Mixon(1.3) for Howard that's 2 very good key depth pieces for one. I see it now as Allen is in your starting line up over Ingram Miller and Watkins. No way would I make that deal. Who's to say Howard doesn't regress? Keep what you have. Don't make a bad trade just because no one will give you what you should be getting
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby dynastyfanatic » Tue May 16, 2017 6:39 am

Yea in standard league though, I don't see Allen over Miller and maybe even with Ingram.

Thanks, you make good points. I just like to have the most scoring in each spot that I can.

I probably won't do it.
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby IR1 » Tue May 16, 2017 7:05 am

I'm in a similar situation and pretty much decided not to overpay for RB or undersell my WR-at least in the offseason- may make a little more sense in season as the dust settles- think I'm better off long term keep the value in WR
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby dynastyfanatic » Tue May 16, 2017 7:09 am

His latest offer is 1.3 + Allen + 4.05 + 4.06 for Howard + 18 2nd (mid) + 3.03 + 3.09
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby Balzac » Tue May 16, 2017 7:51 am

evanhp wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 7:09 am His latest offer is 1.3 + Allen + 4.05 + 4.06 for Howard + 18 2nd (mid) + 3.03 + 3.09
Still seems really light.

1.3+a late pick=Howard

Don't just give Allen away as others have said. The season is a long way away so dont rush it. There are many other backs in just as good of situations that are cheaper. Crowell for instants should cost less than the 1.03 by a long shot.

For win now production I would put them on dead even on possibility.
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby Edgy68 » Tue May 16, 2017 6:39 pm

Seems like if that 2018 2nd doesn't shift to a 1st, this isn't close.
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Re: Howard + 18 2nd + 3.03 for 1.3 + K. Allen + 4.03

Postby Lesman » Tue May 16, 2017 7:00 pm

Edgy68 wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 6:39 pm Seems like if that 2018 2nd doesn't shift to a 1st, this isn't close.
^^This right here. Totally agree.^^

The only way this makes sense at all is if you are in total win now mode and Howard was a sure thing. He's far from a sure thing.

Only way I consider this is if you remove Allen and the 2nd round pick from the deal.
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