Sammy and Julio
Sammy and Julio
Hey, I got offered a trade a couple days ago of Sammy Watkins plus some pieces for my Julio Jones. I countered with Sammy and 1.1 for Julio. This got rejected and received a counter of Sammy and a 2018 1st for Julio. This isn't nearly enough for me to pull trigger. My question is what added with Sammy is fair value for Julio? Thanks for the opinions.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
It's too hard to answer this questions with out knowing what the person has on his team. I personally don't really like Sammy a lot. A guys is really trying to unload him to me for my 1.05 and i just can't pull the trigger. Sammy doesn't play, just had his 2nd foot surgery and who knows who his QB will be.
I'm staying away from him i think.
I'm staying away from him i think.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
I really like Sammy, he truly does have WR1 talent and pedigree and right now he is a hold for me in my leagues, that said, I would at least need the 1.1 with Sammy to move Julio, way to many question marks moving forward with Sammy. Julio is a top 5 WR for the next 5 years. A random 18 1st does not move the needle. If you could get another good young WR, like a Parker, Coleman, Thomas, Diggs with Sammy and the 18 1st, then maybe.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
This. Julio for Watkins and 1.01 is fair (may be a little light if anything). You don't need this trade though.crip7300 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:24 pm I really like Sammy, he truly does have WR1 talent and pedigree and right now he is a hold for me in my leagues, that said, I would at least need the 1.1 with Sammy to move Julio, way to many question marks moving forward with Sammy. Julio is a top 5 WR for the next 5 years. A random 18 1st does not move the needle. If you could get another good young WR, like a Parker, Coleman, Thomas, Diggs with Sammy and the 18 1st, then maybe.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
Thank you everyone for the quick responses. As far as what else he has, these would be his notable pieces:joekuhns11 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:47 pm It's too hard to answer this questions with out knowing what the person has on his team. I personally don't really like Sammy a lot. A guys is really trying to unload him to me for my 1.05 and i just can't pull the trigger. Sammy doesn't play, just had his 2nd foot surgery and who knows who his QB will be.
I'm staying away from him i think.
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Tyrell Williams
Corey Coleman
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WR: Metcalf, McLaurin, Pittman, Hollywood, E. Moore, Juju, G. Wilson, Pickens, Bell, Metchie, Guyton, Hamler
TE: Ertz, Hurst, Albert O
K: Gould, Prater
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Re: Sammy and Julio
This, especially the "then maybe." part. I do not like Sammy, for all the reasons above.crip7300 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:24 pm I really like Sammy, he truly does have WR1 talent and pedigree and right now he is a hold for me in my leagues, that said, I would at least need the 1.1 with Sammy to move Julio, way to many question marks moving forward with Sammy. Julio is a top 5 WR for the next 5 years. A random 18 1st does not move the needle. If you could get another good young WR, like a Parker, Coleman, Thomas, Diggs with Sammy and the 18 1st, then maybe.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
I would say Watkins + McCoy + 1.10 + a 2018 1st would get me thinking as a Julio owner.keller569 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:59 pmThank you everyone for the quick responses. As far as what else he has, these would be his notable pieces:
1.01, 1.10, 2 2018 1st, and a bunch of 2nds and 3rds this year and next
Jamaal Charles, Lesean McCoy, John Brown, Sterling Shepard, Tyrell Williams, Corey Coleman
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Re: Sammy and Julio
Let me start by saying I may be a little biased as I own Sammy.
If Sammy can (I know right?) play all 16 games this year I would bet that his value will be extremely close to Julio's. I say this because of the way this community judges age as a disease.
I also believe that 1.1 this year will be SO valuable. So to get Sammy and 1.1 for Julio is a no brainer in my mind. I know he declined it but i would counter with a pick to get that deal done. But if you strongly believe your team window is now and not that much longer, clearly Julio is at the top of his game right now and since winning is the goal, than it would be hard for me to sell Julio for anything.
If Sammy can (I know right?) play all 16 games this year I would bet that his value will be extremely close to Julio's. I say this because of the way this community judges age as a disease.
I also believe that 1.1 this year will be SO valuable. So to get Sammy and 1.1 for Julio is a no brainer in my mind. I know he declined it but i would counter with a pick to get that deal done. But if you strongly believe your team window is now and not that much longer, clearly Julio is at the top of his game right now and since winning is the goal, than it would be hard for me to sell Julio for anything.
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Re: Sammy and Julio
I don't think Sammy + 1.01 even equals Julio but I'm sure many would disagree.
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