To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

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To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby sugbear65 » Mon May 09, 2016 3:44 pm

This one is a pickle, I'm honestly on the fence here. So I figured I'd ask some advice from the boards. I'm coming out of a rebuild, and while talking to another owner this came up. I think it's decent value and prob a good move, just having trouble convincing myself. The deal would be -

I get- Dez
I give- David Johnson and a 2018 1st

10 team PPR 1QB/2rb/2wr/1te/2flex/k/d
My team-
Big Ben, T. Bridgewater, RG3
D. Johnson, Matt Jones, D. Henry, CJ Prosise, P. Perkins, K. Marshall
A. Cooper, S. Watkins, D. Moncrief, J. Brown, D. Parker, DGB, S. Coates, K. Bell, M. Boehinger
W. Tye, J. Amaro
2017- 5 1sts, 1 4th, 1 5th
2018- 1 1st, 1 4th, 1 5th
Worth it or hold tight?

*UPDATE* so after a long pause in talks, the other owner reached out and told me he wants to get a deal done. I can get Dez right now for D. Johnson and a 2017 1st. But I smell blood in the water, and I know that the Dez owner is itching to deal. I could probably push the 2017 1st back to 2018. Should I not get greedy and take the deal as is, or make him squirm a little and get the better deal, with the possibility of him spite trading Dez to someone else if I push the wrong buttons?
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby Coogan Football » Mon May 09, 2016 3:47 pm

I would do that if I were you
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
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QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
, Goodson, Pullard,
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby Checker1183 » Mon May 09, 2016 3:50 pm

I would as well. You have a ton of 1sts next year to grab backs in that RB heavy draft

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby GridironGuerilla » Mon May 09, 2016 4:02 pm

Yes please. Dez me.
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby James Rustler » Mon May 09, 2016 4:06 pm

sugbear65 wrote:This one is a pickle, I'm honestly on the fence here. So I figured I'd ask some advice from the boards. I'm coming out of a rebuild, and while talking to another owner this came up. I think it's decent value and prob a good move, just having trouble convincing myself. The deal would be -

I get- Dez
I give- David Johnson and a 2018 1st

10 team PPR 1QB/2rb/2wr/1te/2flex/k/d
My team-
Big Ben, T. Bridgewater, RG3
D. Johnson, Matt Jones, D. Henry, CJ Prosise, P. Perkins, K. Williams
A. Cooper, S. Watkins, D. Moncrief, J. Brown, D. Parker, DGB, S. Coates, K. Bell, M. Boehinger
W. Tye, J. Amaro
2017- 5 1sts, 1 4th, 1 5th
2018- 1 1st, 1 4th, 1 5th

Worth it or hold tight?
My bad, misread the trade. With your roster I would imagine you are competing. There is no way I could say no to this deal either way. You got Johnson cheap and are trading him for an absolute beast plus a 1st rounder. You have the roster and draft picks to package 2-3 lower tier players for a stud RB. I could see someone taking Moncrief, Brown and Henry or Jones plus a few 2nd round picks in exchange for 2 decent RB2s to shore up your running backs this season.
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PPR, big game bonuses, big play bonuses, high volume bonuses (30 completions, 30 carries, receptions)
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QB: C. Newton, B. Osweiler
RB: D. Johnson, Ezekiel Elliot
WR: Mike Evans, A. Cooper, Devante Parker
Flex: J. Langford, P. Dorsett
TE: Ebron
Bench: Teddy 2 gloves, Mckinnon, Zeck Zenner, T. Coleman. S. Diggs 2016: 1.01, 2.01, 2.02, 3.01, 4.01. 2017: 4 1sts, 3 2nds

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby GridironGuerilla » Mon May 09, 2016 4:08 pm

James Rustler wrote:
sugbear65 wrote:This one is a pickle, I'm honestly on the fence here. So I figured I'd ask some advice from the boards. I'm coming out of a rebuild, and while talking to another owner this came up. I think it's decent value and prob a good move, just having trouble convincing myself. The deal would be -

I get- Dez
I give- David Johnson and a 2018 1st

10 team PPR 1QB/2rb/2wr/1te/2flex/k/d
My team-
Big Ben, T. Bridgewater, RG3
D. Johnson, Matt Jones, D. Henry, CJ Prosise, P. Perkins, K. Williams
A. Cooper, S. Watkins, D. Moncrief, J. Brown, D. Parker, DGB, S. Coates, K. Bell, M. Boehinger
W. Tye, J. Amaro
2017- 5 1sts, 1 4th, 1 5th
2018- 1 1st, 1 4th, 1 5th

Worth it or hold tight?
With your roster I love it. You won't miss Dez with your receivers or picks.
He gets Dez.
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby James Rustler » Mon May 09, 2016 4:18 pm

He gets Dez.
lmao my bad, edited.
10 Team 2 QB, 2 RB, 3WR, 2 Superflex, k, Defense:
PPR, big game bonuses, big play bonuses, high volume bonuses (30 completions, 30 carries, receptions)
Brown Town Band
QB: C. Newton, B. Osweiler
RB: D. Johnson, Ezekiel Elliot
WR: Mike Evans, A. Cooper, Devante Parker
Flex: J. Langford, P. Dorsett
TE: Ebron
Bench: Teddy 2 gloves, Mckinnon, Zeck Zenner, T. Coleman. S. Diggs 2016: 1.01, 2.01, 2.02, 3.01, 4.01. 2017: 4 1sts, 3 2nds

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez?

Postby Whatevs6 » Mon May 09, 2016 8:11 pm

Omg go get Dez now
12 Team Dynasty .5 PPR: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 IDP

QB: D. Prescott, D. Carr
RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Ekeler, I. Pacheco, J. Cook, J. Warren, G. Edwards, K. Miller,
WR: M. Evans, D. Adams, C. Olave, A. Cooper, G. Pickens, J. Reed, D. Douglas, D. Mooney, R. Bateman, R. Moore, D. Peoples-Jones
TE: S. LaPorta, D. Waller, J. Johnson
IDP: F. Oluokun, B. Wagner, T. Edwards, K. White
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby sugbear65 » Wed May 18, 2016 2:16 pm

*UPDATE* so after a long pause in talks, the other owner reached out and told me he wants to get a deal done. I can get Dez right now for D. Johnson and a 2017 1st. But I smell blood in the water, and I know that the Dez owner is itching to deal. I could probably push the 2017 1st back to 2018. Should I not get greedy and take the deal as is, or make him squirm a little and get the better deal, with the possibility of him spite trading Dez to someone else if I push the wrong buttons?

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby Coogan Football » Wed May 18, 2016 2:56 pm

Offer him a 2017 2nd and 3rd instead of the first
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
3x Champion 2015, 2016, 2017
QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
, Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, Adoree, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, D Thompson

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby sugbear65 » Wed May 18, 2016 2:59 pm

Coogan23 wrote:Offer him a 2017 2nd and 3rd instead of the first
I don't have any 2nds or 3rds, just loaded up with 5 1sts. I think pushing it to 2018 is as much as I can get away with. I know he wants a 1st with the purpose of reselling it, and keeping Johnson, from what he's told me.

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby Coogan Football » Wed May 18, 2016 3:01 pm

Then offer him the latest projected 1st and call it a day, tell him that you are taking the risk with Dez coming off an injury-plagued season.
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
3x Champion 2015, 2016, 2017
QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
, Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, Adoree, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, D Thompson

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby vixen » Wed May 18, 2016 3:40 pm

or try to get a 2017 or 2018 2nd back. and i agree, try to give the latest 2017 1st...
team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby dynastysports » Wed May 18, 2016 3:51 pm

Coogan23 wrote:Then offer him the latest projected 1st and call it a day, tell him that you are taking the risk with Dez coming off an injury-plagued season.
this no need to try and push you have 5 firsts.

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Re: To Dez or not to Dez? UPDATED

Postby CrimeLord » Wed May 18, 2016 4:44 pm

Dez side for me


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