Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.
Dynastychamp111
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1017
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:54 am

Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Dynastychamp111 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:21 pm

Now no rookie is a sure thing but, last year we knew cooper and gurley was going to be a star. Are treadwell and doctson more like a perriman, parker, abdullah type pick where they are just the best available, or are they actually talented enough to make a serious impact right away. Just trying to see of I should stay put with the 1.4 and 1.5 and go henry coleman or try and move up to grab one of these guys.
10 Team SuperFlex PPR TE Premium Best Ball

QB: A. Luck, L. Jackson, K. Murray, T. Jackson
RB: D. Johnson, Damien Williams, T. Pollard, T. Johnson, Dexter Williams, D. Hilliard, B. Hill, J. Ajayi
WR: Juju, Tyreek Hill, AB, C. Godwin, T. Lockett, C. Kupp, T. Boyd, C. Kirk, MVS,T. Benjamin, Emanuel Hall, Preston Williams, J. Watson, Trent Taylor, Ashton Dulin, Scott Miller, Reggie White Jr,
TE: D. Harris, J. Reed, RSJ, ASJ, CJ Uzomah, D. Waller, Ben Watson, Max Williams, F. Moreau


12 Team PPR-4pt passing

QB-L.Jackson, P. Rivers,
RB: S. Barkley, A. Kamara, D. Montgomery, M. Sanders, A. Ekeler, Dexter Williams. J. Hill, Ty. Johnson, D. Hilliard
WR: M. Evans, TY Hilton, A. Brown, T. Boyd, A. Miller, C. Kirk, Marquise Brown, P. Williams
TE: E. Engram, J. Doyle, D. Waller

AlPal&Ange
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1758
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:20 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby AlPal&Ange » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:27 pm

I think Treadwell is a pretty safe bet, he may not be a sure thing WR1, but he is going to be a solid WR2 and I think that is a pretty sure thing. Doctson is more of a flier, but he has a very high ceiling, I would try to move the 1.4 and a 2nd to get into the 1.2-1.3 range.
Run & Gun
2015 Champ, 2016 3rd, 2017 2nd
10 teams 30 man Roster Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 WR/RB/TE, 1 PK, 1 Def PPR
QB: Brady, Rosen
RB: Jones, Miller, Drake, Thompson, Penny, Powell, Samuels
WR: Adams, Nuk, Hill, M Williams, Cole, Enumwa, Smith (NO), Dorsett
TE: Kittle, Rudolph, Everett

12 Team Superflex
QB: Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen, Baker, Mullens
RB: Barkley, Kerryon, Drake, Thompson, Mack
WR: MT,Diggs, Juju, Hilton, Cobb, Jordy, Edelman, Moncrief
TE: Ertz, Kelce, Butt

Kcarr
Captain
Captain
Posts: 780
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:43 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Kcarr » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:27 pm

Personally unless I could move up for a throwaway piece I would stay put. If I could move from 1.4 to 1.2 or 1.3 for like a 3rd or 4th round pick, sure I would do that but anything more than a late pick or someone who I was going to cut for space anyway would be too much
4th and long: ppr, 10 team, qb, rb, rb, wr, wr, wr, flex, flex, te, k, dl, dl, lb, lb, db, db, dflex, dflex

QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,

IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan

bigbuck22
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1519
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:49 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby bigbuck22 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:04 pm

Personally, I don't think either Treadwell or Doctson are sure things. This time last year, I felt much better about Cooper. A lot Will depend on their landing spots when it comes to determining how safe they'll really end up being.
12 Team PPR/Superflex; Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Superflex 1K, 1DST
QB: Wilson, Cousins Love
RB: Elliott, JRobinson, Fournette, Ingram, Dobbins
WR: Hopkins, D Adams, Landry, Gallup, Perriman, Cobb, Cole
TE: Hurst, Goedert, Herndon, I Smith

2021 1st

radian
Combine Attendee
Combine Attendee
Posts: 24
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:37 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby radian » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:41 pm

As of today the only "sure thing" in this draft is Elliot. I do believe that Treadwell and Doctson's value will be somewhat dependent on which team drafts them. I don't believe either of these Wrs have the same skill set as Cooper. They should both be solid pros, but stars it's a coin flip as this point
32 Team Keeper League 32 rosters positions
Starting line up 1QB,2 RB, 2-3 WR, 1-2 TE, 1 PK, 3 DT+DE,3LB, 3 CB+S.
QB -
RB - M. Brown, K Hillard, Bibbs K., E. Elliot
WR - K Bell, TJ Jones, D White, T. Treadwell, M. Thomas, L. Carroo.
TE - G Escobar, J Perillo, M Spaeth, G Christan. Bibbs E.J.
PK - C Boswell, A Frank's, A Arroyo.
DT / DE - C Davis, E Goldman, R Hageman, S Lotulelei, C Reid.
LB - K Emanuel, L Mauldin, C Robertson, J Thomas, J Tripp, R Wilson.
CB/S - R Darby, Q Diggs, EJ Gaines, D Millner, C Munnerlyn, D Randall, E Rowe, B Skrine,I Abdul-Quddlus.

Scoring is six point of ALL TDs Passing,Rushing,Receiving.
/b]

jerodspikeslb
Combine Attendee
Combine Attendee
Posts: 24
Joined: Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:37 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby jerodspikeslb » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:46 pm

radian wrote:As of today the only "sure thing" in this draft is Elliot. I do believe that Treadwell and Doctson's value will be somewhat dependent on which team drafts them. I don't believe either of these Wrs have the same skill set as Cooper. They should both be solid pros, but stars it's a coin flip as this point
Agree with this.
16 Team PPR
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex

QB - Rivers, Fitzpatrick
RB - Bell, Miller, Hyde, Blount, MIchael, Draughn, Stacy, Andrews, Toussaint
WR - OBJ, D Jax, T Benjamin, S Smith, Dorsett, S Roberts, D Harris, Hartline, M Bryant, Gordon
TE - Gronk, B Watson

2016 Draft Picks - 2.4, 3.15. 3.16

2014 Champion
2015 Runner-Up

schiewerma21
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1668
Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:31 pm

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby schiewerma21 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:33 pm

I think both are solid but not a sure thing.

Treadwell is a very nice prospect and I do believe he will be a wr2 in the league. But I don't consider that on the same level as copper.

If I were ranking the two classes:
Cooper (by himself)
Kevin white
Treadwell
Parker
Doctson
Everyone else
TEAM 1: 12 man PPR (.25 passing and rushing attempt) dynasty league
QB:Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Watson
RB: Leveon Bell, Leonard Fournette, Todd Gurley, Carlos Hyde, Spencer Ware, Kareem Hunt, James Connor, Joe Williams
WR: Antonio Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Brandin cooks, Doug Baldwin, Tyrelle Pryor, Kenny Britt
TE: Rob Gronkowski,Jack Doyle, Shaheen

TEAM 2: 10 MAN PPR. (standard PPR). 5 year max keeper league.
QB: Winston, Rivers, Palmer
RB: Mixon, McCoy, Ingram, Hunt, Kamara, Coleman, Foreman, Riddick, CJ Prosise,Powell
WR: Dez Bryant, A Rob, Michael Thomas, Corey Davis, Keenan Allen, Zay Jones, Josh Doctson
TE: Zach Ertz, Oj Howard

TEAM 3:10 MAN PPR (2 QUARTERBACK LEAGUE took over orphan 2016) Dynasty League
QB: Dak Prescott, Jameis Winston, Bridgewater, Tribisky, Glennon
RB: Mccaffrey, Henry, Theo Riddick,
WR: Sammy Watkins, Laquon Treadwell, Corey Coleman, Jordan Mathews, Jamison Crowder,
TE: Evan Engram, Jordan Reed, Eric Ebron, Cameron Brate
2018 picks: 1.03,2.03,3.03

flyersfan1981
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5385
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:26 pm

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby flyersfan1981 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:51 pm

radian wrote:As of today the only "sure thing" in this draft is Elliot. I do believe that Treadwell and Doctson's value will be somewhat dependent on which team drafts them. I don't believe either of these Wrs have the same skill set as Cooper. They should both be solid pros, but stars it's a coin flip as this point
Wait till Cleveland takes Zeke at #8...then we will see how much of a sure thing he is...
#1-12 Team .5 PPR TE Premium (20-max)

Winston, Wentz
Ingram, Jones, Dalvin Cook, Rawls, Smallwood, McGuire
Evans, Keenan, Parker, Corey Davis, Lockett, Ty Williams
Ertz
1.05/1.06/1.07

#2-12 Team .5 PPR (25-max)

Rivers, Wilson
Gurley, JStew, West, Duke, Breida, Smallwood, Joe Williams
Nuk, Alshon, Sanders, Doctson, Crowder, Carroo, Carlos Henderson
Ertz, Kittle

#3 14-team PPR (27-max) Year 2

Rodgers, Bortles
McCoy, Howard, Chubb, Crowell, Cohen, D. Martin, McGuire, Joe Williams, Breida, West, Aaron Jones
Cooks, Alshon, MBryant, Britt, Boyd, Wright, Carroo, Chad Williams
Kelce, Julius Thomas, Jesse James, Shaheen, D. Allen

#4 12-team PPR S-flex TE Prem

Wentz, Trubisky, Cutler
Kamara, Ajayi, Howard, Lacy, Mack, Elijah McGuire, Sproles, Turbin
Hopkins, Alshon, Parker, Stills, Britt, ArDarius, P Cooper, TWilliams
Brate, Green, D Allen, Higbee, Hodges, Anderson
1.02/1.10

User avatar
Favrezilla
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2706
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:13 am
Location: mom's basement

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Favrezilla » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:58 pm

I think treadwell is a sure thing. Big name out of HS, produced and has a really good head. Workhorse in the gym.

Don't know much about doctson except he's 24, transferred from a small school.

I like Coleman. A lot. I think depending on what type of coach gets him he could be a big time star, like Cobb or cooks -- I personally thing his ceiling is AB, given a year in the gym and in an offense.

I'm excited to see what happens with Henry as well. Not sure if he'll be a fit.
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (11th year)
2020: 4-4 || 3 time runner-up
QB: Mahomes, Wentz, Stafford, Burrow
RB: Chubb, Henry, Mixon, Mike Davis,
WR: ARob, DJ Moore, Hollywood, Fulgham, AB, Williams, Davis, Alshon, Shep
TE: Ertz, Jonnu
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 2, 3

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (8th year)
2020: 5-3 || 2017: champ || 2018 & 19: Runner-up
QB: Wentz, Brees, Fitz, Winston
RB: Miles, Mixon, Henry, Gurley, Michel, Hyde
WR: Keenan, Evans, ARob, Juju, Parker, Davis, Robby, Preston, Tyler,
TE: Gronk, Goedert, Kmet
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 2, 3

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (1st year)
2020: 4-4
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Darnald, Winston
RB: Sanders, JT, Kelley, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Robby, Claypool, Pittman, Fulgham, Reagor, Mims, MW, Preston
TE: Fant, hock
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 3

User avatar
skip
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 18733
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:35 pm

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby skip » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:38 pm

Both are as much of a sure thing as is Elliott. No one can tell you an absolute future for any of them but all have immense upside.
If you can't leave at least a 20% tip, you can't afford to eat out.

User avatar
Coogan Football
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14333
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:03 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Coogan Football » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:56 pm

Favrezilla wrote:
Don't know much about doctson except he's 24, transferred from a small school.
He was on scholarship at University of Wyoming and transferred to TCU after his mom got hired by the school's marketing department, he's originally from Mansfield, Texas which is 30 minutes south of where TCU is located.




Here's the summary I wrote on him a few months ago:

Coogan23 wrote: Josh Doctson - Texas Christian University
December 3, 1993 6’3”– 195 lbs.
Mansfield, Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Doctson

Josh Doctson was on pace to have a killer season last year before he missed the final 4 games with a wrist injury, he was a Touchdown machine with 14 TDs in only 9 games. Working in TCU’s spread offense Doctson ran a lot of 9 routes and fades but he also mixed in some short stuff. Doctson used his 6’3” height to his advantage often and made a ton of special catches last with defenders draped all over him, he’s a beast when the ball is in the air. He has good but not great hands and he has pretty decent long speed for a tall receiver. He showed laziness quite a few times in the run game and I’m sure he got his bleep chewed for it because his man often made tackles, he did show tremendous effort on a few blocks but you always remember the bad ones, of course. He was a target hog all over the field and especially down in the Redzone, having the tenacity when going up for the ball in the endzone is not teachable and he certainly gets an A+ in that department. His YAC leaves something to be desired as he only weighs 195 lbs and isn’t that strong, I’m sure his NFL team will have him gain some weight. Route running seemed a little sloppy and he often rounded them off but he usually had DBs on their heels to defend him going deep so I think that’s how he got away with it, that won’t happen in the pros.

Fun Fact: He didn’t even play football until his junior year of high school. His first college TD was when he played for University of Wyoming as a true-freshman and caught a 7-yd slant against 1st round selection Jason Verrett, later that year he applied to transfer to TCU where his mother is on staff in the marketing department.
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
3x Champion 2015, 2016, 2017
QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
, Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, Adoree, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, D Thompson

Don't be the guy that asks for advice without giving some out yourself
#WhoDat

User avatar
Bisquiteen Trisket
Starter
Starter
Posts: 617
Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:30 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Bisquiteen Trisket » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:21 am

It all depends on landing spot for me. But like you said, no one is a sure thing. Remember when TRich was a sure thing and was being crowned as the next AP? Yeah, about that...

User avatar
Favrezilla
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2706
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:13 am
Location: mom's basement

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Favrezilla » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:40 am

Coogan23 wrote:

He was on scholarship at University of Wyoming and transferred to TCU after his mom got hired by the school's marketing department, he's originally from Mansfield, Texas which is 30 minutes south of where TCU is located.
thats my point, no interest in HS even though he was in their back yard - there isnt ALWAYS an elite HS athlete to pro athlete correlation, but its definitely a more likely to translate that way than the other; especially with skill positions.
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (11th year)
2020: 4-4 || 3 time runner-up
QB: Mahomes, Wentz, Stafford, Burrow
RB: Chubb, Henry, Mixon, Mike Davis,
WR: ARob, DJ Moore, Hollywood, Fulgham, AB, Williams, Davis, Alshon, Shep
TE: Ertz, Jonnu
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 2, 3

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (8th year)
2020: 5-3 || 2017: champ || 2018 & 19: Runner-up
QB: Wentz, Brees, Fitz, Winston
RB: Miles, Mixon, Henry, Gurley, Michel, Hyde
WR: Keenan, Evans, ARob, Juju, Parker, Davis, Robby, Preston, Tyler,
TE: Gronk, Goedert, Kmet
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 2, 3

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (1st year)
2020: 4-4
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Darnald, Winston
RB: Sanders, JT, Kelley, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Robby, Claypool, Pittman, Fulgham, Reagor, Mims, MW, Preston
TE: Fant, hock
Picks: 2021: 1, 2, 3

erstandish1
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 423
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:46 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby erstandish1 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:51 am

Zeke's landing spot doesn't matter he's going to be great wherever he goes.

Tread is the closest other sure thing in the class. Doctson and Coleman probably have higher upside but both are coming out of Big 12 which produces College Basketball scores.

I'd package 1.05 and a 2nd and see if that gets you to 1.02 My guess is it doesn't, but at least that gives you the choice of guys and maybe you can push Doctson or Tread to 1.04 and snag both.

User avatar
Coogan Football
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14333
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:03 am

Re: Are treadwell and doctson a sure thing?

Postby Coogan Football » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:49 am

Favrezilla wrote:
Coogan23 wrote:

He was on scholarship at University of Wyoming and transferred to TCU after his mom got hired by the school's marketing department, he's originally from Mansfield, Texas which is 30 minutes south of where TCU is located.
thats my point, no interest in HS even though he was in their back yard - there isnt ALWAYS an elite HS athlete to pro athlete correlation, but its definitely a more likely to translate that way than the other; especially with skill positions.
I'm not sure why he didn't get any local offers. You would have to believe that if he was decent for even 1 season in highschool he would have had some local colleges wanting him, that area is saturated with college football programs. If I had to pick a bust out of this top group I would choose Doctson for reasons like this, breakout age, college scheme and lack of sustained success in football.
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/SFlex/ balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,SF,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
3x Champion 2015, 2016, 2017
QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Hunt, Kamara, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, J.Williams,
WR: Julio, Hopkins, M.Thomas, TY, Watkins, Kupp, C.Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Engram, Howard, Fleener, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, R.Foster, Bucannon, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, ShaqT,
, Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, Adoree, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, D Thompson

Don't be the guy that asks for advice without giving some out yourself
#WhoDat


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], HughHoney and 7 guests

DLF 2020 Cyber Week Sale