Haha. What have any of the rookies done to warrant this discussion? We're arguing about a bunch of talented unproven players here. No one is saying Moncrief is proven, but you can't use that as reason to knock him and then turn around and promote rookies. I'm not a huge Moncrief lover, but I'll gladly lay out why people are so high on him.MrPerfect wrote:What has Moncrief done in the nfl to warrant this discussion.Bandonij wrote:I think Moncrief vs Doctson is a good debate. Both the same age, physically talented and might need a bit more work to become elite, but both are capable. I would prefer the 1.02 to both. I would probably trade the 1.03 for Moncrief if I was sure Zeke or Tread wouldn't be there at that pick.
And what's with the guy who is saying everyone is a lier if they value Moncrief higher than 1.05? What a joke. Look at his rankings and ADP. It lines up with the value of 1.03. ANd most people that own him are probably going to be believers in the guy and value him higher. I might not agree with valuing him crazy high, but I wouldn't call them a lier
Im all ears and can be persuaded.
1) Age. He's a third year player who is 23. Same age as doctson, but he has actually proven capable of being an NFL starter and putting up ok numbers (nothing that impressive yet). he also had an elite breakout age in college which is correlated to NFL success. I know Footballoutsiders has evidence to support that.
2) He has an elite physical profile. His Jump numbers and size adjusted 40 yd dash (or speed score) are fantastic. He's a better pure athlete than any 2016 rookie WRs, though I think Tread is a far more polished WR. Which is why I prefer the 1.02 to Moncrief. But Moncrief has a higher ceiling and I'll admit that.
3) He's shown improvement each year in the NFL. This is big since he was considered raw coming out.
4) he's tied to an elite QB in a pass happy offense that just a lost a lot of targets this year when AJ and Fleener left. Dorsett has proven nothing yet, so it looks like Hilton and Moncrief will be the main beneficiaries of this
5) He's much bigger than the other 2 top WRs on his depth chart. I'm very high on Hilton but considering the size difference, you have to assume Moncrief will get more redzone looks and TDs than Hilton or Dorsett.