Please explain why this trade offer is so bad to the Sender

[Whatevs6]

No where remotely close.

He's trying to give you a few nickles and dimes for a dollar.

Definitely this

[wheel'n'deal]

It's close in the senders opinions because it likely adds up to the value of Evans. But the cliche that holds true is 10 dimes don't make a dollar.
Regarding IDP: DL equals TE on offense. What I mean there is DLs, like TEs, have a few top tier guys followed by a bunch of nearly the same producing guys. Comparing the value of a WR to a DL is crazy unless it's Watt for Evans...and even then I pass.

Sanu likely fighting for 3rd WR spot by next year. West=RBBC at best, 3 year backup at worst.

I was just about to type this same thing. The cumulative value of his chips equal Evans value so he probably thinks it's fair. Stacking bums together won't net you a stud.

[Coogan Football]

If you have to explain why this offer is not close you are wasting your time cause the other owner is clueless. Unless you are wanting to sell Evans just move on from this guy.

I agree, all those nickels don't even add up to a dollar, they are more like $0.65

[lawilt]

lol he just saw the thread and said all of yall are scrubs and don't know what you're talking about LOL

[saw061600]

lol he just saw the thread and said all of yall are scrubs and don't know what you're talking about LOL

[Overachiever77]

Terrible offer. Not even in the ballpark.

[lawilt]

lol this was the best line ever what he just said:
"I also don't use ADP. I use a valuation system that gives a current trade value number to every player and pick based on projections, opportunity, potential for increased touches, perceived value etc. I could give you links, but I'm not giving out sources. I didn't just pull numbers out of the air though."

And he claims he's a writer for a very respected FF site...I literally can't make this s*** up lol

[cc texan]

lol he just saw the thread and said all of yall are scrubs and don't know what you're talking about LOL

What people like this don't realize is that even if the consensus is against their terrible offers, its the opinion of only one person that matters -your trade partner. He might think everyone here is a scrub for knowing something about dynasty, but he's still the one not getting trades done.

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lol this was the best line ever what he just said:
"I also don't use ADP. I use a valuation system that gives a current trade value number to every player and pick based on projections, opportunity, potential for increased touches, perceived value etc. I could give you links, but I'm not giving out sources. I didn't just pull numbers out of the air though."

And he claims he's a writer for a very respected FF site...I literally can't make this s*** up lol

Sounds like he needs better sources. And if he saw this thread then he should realize that it isn't a majority that feels his offer is a poor one but rather it is unanimous which SHOULD tell him what he needs to know.

[clarion contrarion]

very poor offer but I view any offer as the starting gun not the finishing line . It just starts the dialogue and each manager values players differently . If you get bent then it will cost you more in the long run than trying to get inside his head to see where he comes from, I have turned what appeared to get GTFOH offers into nice deals just through a little back and forth .
So the moral is don't burn any bridges as you may need one of this managers players in the future and be at a point where you WOULD overpay to get what you need . If you make him feel stupid good luck fixing that .... ever.

[Mephistopheles]

I don't think you need to explain to him "why" it's a bad offer. If you think it's a bad offer, it isn't going to get done.

When I get an offer like that, I have 4 standard lines, actually have them programmed into my phone, lol.

"If I were looking to move (x player), I'd be willing to do so for a better return than that. Something more along the lines of (y player) and (z player)."
"For that package of players you are offering, I'd be more willing to consider sending you (x player) or (y player)."
"Based on that offer, I'd rather just keep (x player) on my team."
"I don't see any common ground in our valuations that will get a trade done between us at this time. Good luck."

The first 2 put the ball in his court and also tell you what kind of negotiator he is - is he going to stand hard and fast on his first lowball offer or be willing to discuss and become more reasonable. If he's the first type, you know to stay away from him in the future. But as Clarion said, worst thing to do is burn the bridges with him and trying to explain to him how bad his offer is (and, dude, it stinks worse than a steaming pile of pig crap) will degenerate into that type of situation. At some point, he may become more reasonable (one can only hope).

These GTFOH offers are a part of the game, but they seem to be the worst from these so-called "fantasy football writers". I played in a league with 2 of them several years ago and the offers were some of the worst SMFH offers I've ever seen. I literally could set a record for number of comments starting a thread with some of the offers. The most memorable was that one of them offered to trade me a mediocre defense for Larry Fitzgerald (in his prime) and AJ Green (20-something early career stud) among other similar gems. I got the hell out of that league the next year. For such supposedly "smart guys", they send some really bonehead offers.

[Goirish374]

You don't owe anyone an explanation.

maybe he doesn't "owe" him one in the classic sense, but every declined trade offer is an opportunity to make every future trade offer better. the more explanation you give, the more in line you potentially move a future trade partner's value system to your own.

the more your potential trade partners understand what you value and why, well, the fewer "poor' offers you'll receive and more reasonable counters you'll receive.

the only thing worse than the silly naked rejection is the utterly childish "i would just let that expire."

(ETA: i'm speaking generally, obviously in this case there has been a good degree of communication between the OP and his league-mate)

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You don't owe anyone an explanation.

maybe he doesn't "owe" him one in the classic sense, but every declined trade offer is an opportunity to make every future trade offer better. the more explanation you give, the more in line you potentially move a future trade partner's value system to your own.

the more your potential trade partners understand what you value and why, well, the fewer "poor' offers you'll receive and more reasonable counters you'll receive.

the only thing worse than the silly naked rejection is the utterly childish "i would just let that expire."

(ETA: i'm speaking generally, obviously in this case there has been a good degree of communication between the OP and his league-mate)

I never let an offer expire but if an offer isn't anywhere close quite often just declining without any explanation is the best course. It prevents senseless arguments that can go no where.

[Nightmares]

This belongs in "what's the worst offer you have ever received" thread. It is ridiculous.

[Goirish374]

I never let an offer expire but if an offer isn't anywhere close quite often just declining without any explanation is the best course. It prevents senseless arguments that can go no where.

i hear you.

there's never a need for an argument--in fact it makes little sense to get into one. i've never heard of someone changing their mind and accepting a previously rejected trade bc the offering party got angry about it.

but i think any eplanation at all going along with the rejection is always better than no explanation, which leaves the situation entirely unchanged and leaves you just as likely to the same offer as before. even "thanks for the offer but i think we are wildly different in how we value player X. i don't see us coming to terms on this one" has beneficial effect on the trade relationship beyond simple rejection.

obviously, yes, there are fringe cases of crack pot owners and such.