Help with a Trade Offer

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Re: Help with a Trade Offer

Postby moishetreats » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:11 am

It's actually less valuable than 1.12, since 1.12 is guaranteed to give you a return (i.e., the player that you draft), but Kirk might give you nothing if you cut him.

But, your point being that a third-round pick is more akin in value to a late-first rookie pick than a third is well noted.

I'd make the trade. Kirk is, as you noted, a bubble keeper and unlikely a difference-maker.
www.fantasyfootballforever.com - SF/2QB website

Tm 1: 10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex

QB: Rodgers, Wilson, Wentz, Taylor
RB: Gurley, Gordon, Mixon, Foreman
WR: Hill, Cooper, Hilton, Baldwin, Edelman, Anderson, Callaway, D Thomas, Da Moore, St Brown
TE: Kelce, Howard, Herndon, Goedert, Seals-Jones, Hurst

2019: 4.04, 4.08, 5.04
2020: 3rd, 4th, 5thx2
2021: 2nd, 3rd, 5thx3



Tm 2: 12 tms 22 plyrs {IR} [Taxi]. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex/ best ball

QB: Luck ($34 through 2021), Winston (2/19), Garappolo (5/20)
RB: Conner (4/19), A Jones (10/19), Sanders (16/23) Foreman (9/20), Lynch (1/19) [Dex Williams (4/23), Barnes (1/23), Higdon (1/23), Gaskins (1/23)]
WR: Smith-Schuster, (10/19), Cooper, ($28/20), R Anderson (3/21), Z Jones (14/19), St Brown (1/22), Valdez-Scantling (1/22), Foster (1/1)
TE: Gronk (2/20), Walker (1/19), Vannett (1/19)
Total+dead cap hits ~$114

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Re: Help with a Trade Offer

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:37 am

I'd take the third, to me you have 5 locked in keepers, lindsay, LF, Adams, TY, and Ertz. So that places him as one of about five guys to keep in that last spot with cole, davis, ito,kirk, etc. so your not just getting the third rounder for him, your getting the third rounder AND one of those guys
12 team ppr 1qb 2rb 2wt 1te 1 flex 2lb 2db 2dl 1dflex
Eli manning,
A. Brown, Dez, TY Hilton,Crabtree, K. Aiken
D. Free, Howard, Ingram, demarco, AP, Powell
Kelce
Cam Jordan,Calais Campbell, Suh, Heyward, Sheard
Ogletree, Davis, Poz,Ragland, Woodyard, Misi, Demario Davis, Casillas
, Cyprien, Chancellor,

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Re: Help with a Trade Offer

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:09 pm

VISUAL DESPERADO wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:48 pm
Mjvb5 wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:37 am
I'd take the third, to me you have 5 locked in keepers, lindsay, LF, Adams, TY, and Ertz. So that places him as one of about five guys to keep in that last spot with cole, davis, ito,kirk, etc. so your not just getting the third rounder for him, your getting the third rounder AND one of those guys
No love for Courtland Sutton? Lol Think I'll do the deal. Thanks.
I mean he was included in the etc, I just got tired of writing all the names out lol. I've been trying to buy him everywhere lol
12 team ppr 1qb 2rb 2wt 1te 1 flex 2lb 2db 2dl 1dflex
Eli manning,
A. Brown, Dez, TY Hilton,Crabtree, K. Aiken
D. Free, Howard, Ingram, demarco, AP, Powell
Kelce
Cam Jordan,Calais Campbell, Suh, Heyward, Sheard
Ogletree, Davis, Poz,Ragland, Woodyard, Misi, Demario Davis, Casillas
, Cyprien, Chancellor,

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Re: Help with a Trade Offer

Postby moishetreats » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:48 pm

VISUAL DESPERADO wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:25 am
moishetreats wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:11 am
It's actually less valuable than 1.12, since 1.12 is guaranteed to give you a return (i.e., the player that you draft), but Kirk might give you nothing if you cut him.

But, your point being that a third-round pick is more akin in value to a late-first rookie pick than a third is well noted.

I'd make the trade. Kirk is, as you noted, a bubble keeper and unlikely a difference-maker.
I'm just a bit confused about what you meant by "It's actually less valuable than 1.12."
Do you mean holding onto Kirk is less valuable than the 1.12?

Side note: these are the types of intricacies that make this type of league difficult to navigate. It's not a redraft, but not a dynasty either. So valuing players vs. picks is really difficult. Any advice?
You had written that a third-round pick in this league is like the 1.12 in a regular rookie draft. My response was to that comparison, not the value of 1.12 in a dynasty league to Kirk.

As for advice, I think that you're looking at things the right way. Non-elite rookies in this format get incredibly devalued -- not worth hanging onto them just in case they eventually break out when you can have players who have broken out in their stead each year.

Put another way: think of this as a seven-round draft going into each year. Would you rather have 4 picks in the top 2 round and 3 in the seventh or would you rather have one in each round? Then construct/trade for your team accordingly. Final piece of advice: I wouldn't stress too much about that sixth or seventh keeper. Odds are that a couple of teams will have too many keeper-worthy players, and you can acquire one for relatively cheap in the off-season. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that you could get a keeper-worthy player in the off-season that is far more valuable than Kirk :).
www.fantasyfootballforever.com - SF/2QB website

Tm 1: 10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex

QB: Rodgers, Wilson, Wentz, Taylor
RB: Gurley, Gordon, Mixon, Foreman
WR: Hill, Cooper, Hilton, Baldwin, Edelman, Anderson, Callaway, D Thomas, Da Moore, St Brown
TE: Kelce, Howard, Herndon, Goedert, Seals-Jones, Hurst

2019: 4.04, 4.08, 5.04
2020: 3rd, 4th, 5thx2
2021: 2nd, 3rd, 5thx3



Tm 2: 12 tms 22 plyrs {IR} [Taxi]. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex/ best ball

QB: Luck ($34 through 2021), Winston (2/19), Garappolo (5/20)
RB: Conner (4/19), A Jones (10/19), Sanders (16/23) Foreman (9/20), Lynch (1/19) [Dex Williams (4/23), Barnes (1/23), Higdon (1/23), Gaskins (1/23)]
WR: Smith-Schuster, (10/19), Cooper, ($28/20), R Anderson (3/21), Z Jones (14/19), St Brown (1/22), Valdez-Scantling (1/22), Foster (1/1)
TE: Gronk (2/20), Walker (1/19), Vannett (1/19)
Total+dead cap hits ~$114


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